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Sunday, November 11, 2007

Wasserman Schultz superficial broken record

This is an excellent article from Donna Norton, Sonoma County PDA pertaining to the recent interview of Congressional rep Debbie Wasserman Schultz conducted by Ed Schultz(no relation). Wikipedia has Ed listed as the fifth most important radio host in America and he has been blocked from broadcasting on Armed Forces Radio, moments before his debut.
He questioned Ms. Wasserman Schultz on Impeachment and WHY she has not vocally supported same. Her reasoning was numb at best. I did not hear the interview but I've blogged the matter previously from reading what transpired and find this commentary to be insightful and thorough.

Little Debbie's Junk Food

Submitted by davidswanson on Sun, 2007-11-11 17:12. Impeachment

By Donna Norton, Sonoma County PDA

Ed Schultz' interview last week with Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz concerning Kucinich's HR 333 (now HR 799) was like listening to a head-on collision between the voice of ethos and the voice of political machination.

What is it that's turned even some of our normally lucid and principled Congress members into lockstep shills of Pelosi? Ed's relentless passion was totally refreshing. I just wish he was a little more knowledgeable so that he could have shredded every point of her argument right there on the spot.

Not just Debbie, but almost all the Congress members keep referring to the polls and "what's important to the American people." How often do you see polls that include impeachment (especially stated in straightforward terms)? They're almost non-existent. If she's getting her information from Democratic Committee mailings, have you every seen a question about impeachment in them? They ask us to rank pre-selected issues in order of importance, but impeachment is ALWAYS mysteriously omitted from the choices. Have the individual Congress members been brave enough to actually go out and ask their constituents how they feel about impeachment? They spend all their time clamping a lid on any discussion of this topic. How hypocritical of them!

And Debbie kept bringing out how the Dems are conducting all these wonderful investigations. They get nowhere with them because Bush refuses to release any information and blocks witnesses from testifying. But the Dems are afraid to pursue ANYTHING to an ultimate showdown. If I'm not mistaken, the Dems have not followed through with even ONE of their threats regarding testimony or documents they've "demanded." (

In impeachment investigations, the information cannot be withheld--at least according to the Constitution. But I wouldn't put it past Bush to refuse anyway. To him, the Constitution went the way of the Geneva Conventions, habeas corpus, and the intent of the FISA courts.)

And, again, from Debbie's lips we get that old and worn reference to "the dark days" of the Clinton Impeachment proceedings. Do their collective memories go back only that far? Do they have no memory whatsoever of what happened once Nixon's impeachment became an imminent reality? It's always CLINTON, CLINTON, CLINTON. Why not NIXON, NIXON NIXON? That's the parallel to draw on.

(Ironically, it was the very law Congress put into place in 1978 to prevent a president's misuse of our agencies of government to conduct warrantless spying on American citizens that Bush violated with his secret NSA program.) When the Nixon model is invoked, the outcome of impeachment proceedings takes an entirely different turn--one that would apparently be politically inconvenient for the Dems, at least according to Pelosi. Don't think for a moment the Repubs wouldn't start scrambling to get 9%-approval-rated Cheney out (resigning due to "health reasons") if impeachment investigations start probing into dark corners. And Debbie's assertion that if Bush and Cheney were taken out, Rice would be elevated the Presidency is absurd. Facts emerging from the investigations would place Condi out of the running--if not behind bars.

And her statement that the public has no interest in impeachment, while at the same time claiming impeachment proceedings would "block out the sun" seems a bit contradictory. If there's no interest in it, then it won't get much media play, right? But her big problem is that it might compete with or overshadow election campaign coverage. Well, given the fact that it's been the media rather than the people that has shown disinterest in impeachment, it would be a good thing to use that media attention to shed a little light on what's been going on behind the locked doors of our government. And this actually might result in bringing a new level of scrutiny and discourse to the election debates. Maybe the public would have a little better idea as to what they're really looking for in their "leaders" and watch the campaigning with more intensity. The candidates would also know a little more about how the public expects them to conduct themselves in office.

And you know what, Debbie--and Nancy? I think the Dems would win by a colossal landslide. (SO DO I!!!!!)

And, the bit about how we can't waste our time on impeachment because we need to provide healthcare for our children. Ed's right, that's not going to happen in the next 14 mons. And that healthcare proposal Debbie thinks the Dems can cough up in 14 mons rather than wasting time extracting these criminals from government is not going to be able to keep up with the healthcare needs that result from the fallout of this war--and the one just waiting in the wings to be unleashed in Iran--if we don't remove Bush and Cheney from office. If any healthcare bill was proposed, let me guess--the Bush veto pen! So the truth is, the Dems would rather play out this endless repetitive drama over all they'd "like" to accomplish, rather than actually accomplishing removing the obstacle that prevents them from accomplishing ANYTHING. (They'd rather save all those goodies like healthcare and ending the war for campaign promises.)

And what about Debbie's comment that we can't cut off the Iraq occupation funding because it would leave the troops abandoned? She sounded so self-righteous when Ed pressed her on this issue. He was dirt for even suggesting such a thing. Yet, if I heard her correctly, the next move the Dems have planned, after Bush vetoes what they're currently sending up the pipe, is a bill that would cut off further funding. So when Ed suggested they do it now, she admonishes him with the trite "abandoning the troops" mantra. Yet it sure sounded to me like that's what she proudly put forth as the Dems next move. ???

The part that infuriated Ed (and me) was that every argument Debbie made kept coming back to getting Dems elected in '08. She was like a superficial broken record. If Debbie could only sit back and reflect on the gravity of what she dared to say. Essentially, it's critical for the Dems to keep Bush and Cheney in office so that the Dems will be a sure thing to win big in the November elections. How utterly disgraceful.

I think these people are struggling to put up any valid argument at all.

The people see through this.

Nothing justifies retaining criminals at the head of this country, especially when they carry loaded guns, enjoy shooting, and tell lies. Thank you, Ed.



And Debbie's assertion that if Bush and Cheney were taken out, Rice would be elevated the Presidency is absurd. Facts emerging from the investigations would place Condi out of the running--if not behind bars.

Her assertion is not even accurate. She doesn't even know the succession order and I was surprised when Ed didn't point that out. The next in line after Cheney is Pelosi, after her would be Sen. Byrd as President Pro tempore of the Senate, and then Rice. The proper thing would be for Pelosi to state that she would not seek office in 2008 and serve only as an acting President until the elections.

The funniest thing about Wasserman Schultz's rant on the Ed Schultz show was that earlier in the day on a Miami radio station she was claiming that even if she wanted to she couldn't cosponsor H. Res 333 because she is on judiciary despite the fact that several have already and then she said she couldn't comment on whether Cheney should be impeached because it would be inappropriate to comment since she would have to rule on it. Then, later in the day she's on with Ed and says it would be a terrible thing. As I said in another post, she is full of shit.
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Schultz and other women
Submitted by youngharry on Sun, 2007-11-11 18:48.

What is it with women in government like Schultz? Women are supposed to be nurturing and peace loving. Four women in government have done more to destroy this country and our Constitution than hundreds of men--excluding Bush I & II and Cheney-- in the last century---Sandra Day O'Connor, Diane Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi, Condi Rice and now sweet little ignorant Debbie Schultz is joining them with her lies and propaganda.

APPARENTLY NONE OF THESE WOMAN KNOWS HER HISTORY, MUCH LESS THE CONSTITUTION. THEY ARE TRAITORS TO THEIR OATHS OF OFFICE AND TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO SAY IT.
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CRUCIAL ACTION: Contact the House Judiciary Committee and Nancy Pelosi TODAY. Don't wait. One click. The momentum is on our side and the world is watching. Bush cronies WORLD WIDE declaring martial law. Nation of GA, Pakistan, Burma ... Mexico's election illegal and then the flooding. GETTING THEM OUT OF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY. Believe this. And help a country out here.
Get your ARREST BUSH Tshirt HERE!!
SQUELCH THE FCC's HIDDEN PLAN geez
Tampa Firemen and Other Firemen Fire Brigade: NeoNazis

Follow along with Tampa Stalking HERE.
Additional
data on GANG STALKING IN AMERICA and ELSEWHERE

KNOW WHERE YOU STAND AND STAND THERE
The DOCUMENTED TRUTH about Masons and Shriners (part of it )

Be the ONE MILLIONTH PERSON to sign the IMPEACH BUSH petition.
text "CHENEY" to 30644 to impeach him first, or text "BUSH" to 30644 to impeach him first, or text "BOTH" to 30644 if you think it would be strategically wise to go for the double play

The heart has it's reasons which reason knows nothing of.
*
We know truth, not only by reason, but also by the heart.
Blaise Pascal

Here's the last 25 messages on the Impeach Cheney matter
No Excuses : Email any rep in the country. Go ahead. They have to answer you; it's what you pay them for. Compel them to uphold their oath to protect the Constitution of the United States of America.

The lie was dead
And damned, and truth stood up instead.
Robert Browning

ANOTHER BUSH LIE


Also TEXT the word "TODAY" to 30644 to become part of the John Edwards campaign. Do it. He actually had rainbow bumper stickers. Kinda thoughtful.

I've saved some sunlight
if you should ever need
a place away from darkness
where your mind can feed.
from Rod McKuen's "I've Saved The Summer"

Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.
We have guided missiles and misguided men.

Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968)

Make today COUNT.
Go to to find the phone numbers of your Senators and Representative.

Bill Nelson 202 224 5274

Kathy Castor 202 225 3376 (UPDATED NUMBER)

Mel Martinez 202224 3041



Send a letter to the St.Pete Times
I don't care what you talk about but keep sending letters until they publish one. They're very selective with WHOM they publish because I see the same names over and over. Don't let a few people speak for ALL of us.

And call your congressman and talk to her of Inherent Contempt. Do it. And hug everyone you can reach.

North Jersey JUST DOIN it.

Headlights to Impeach
Turn them ON. PlEaSe ! Help a country out here. Also, click the link to sign the petition. Takes three seconds.

Live Vote for Impeachment

Vote in the National Cheney Impeachment Poll
Click Here

Bush Business (two states moving to convene grand juries)
Email your Congressman
Court of Impeachment and War Crimes

Brought to you LIVE from THE TAMPA NAIL HOUSE ... : Proud members of the drive-by media (just like Thomas Paine, father of America)

... located in the midtown desired redevelopment center just one block from the river.
The City of Tampa and it's assorted city-sanctioned gang members need this property because it's in the middle of land they intend to develop for gambling facilities.
LaS VEgas here in Tampa : Ta-Vegas or Tam-Gas.
But it's going to cost YOU a helluva lot of money as they defend their criminal acts in federal court due to what they are doing to my family and I in
the process of attempting to steal our home.

Terrorist,"Cause" and Gang Stalking Perpetrated by Tampa Firemen and other Firemen -- revealed and written about.

Some more threats from Tampa firemen (we'll just drive by your burning house if we know who you are) no kidding? I would NEVER have guessed that !
Stop Organized Stalking
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CRUCIAL ACTION: Contact the House Judiciary Committee and Nancy Pelosi TODAY. Don't wait. One click. The momentum is on our side and the world is watching. Bush cronies WORLD WIDE declaring martial law. Nation of GA, Pakistan, Burma ... Mexico's election illegal and then the flooding. GETTING THEM OUT OF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY. Believe this. And help a country out here.
Get your ARREST BUSH Tshirt HERE!!
SQUELCH THE FCC's HIDDEN PLAN geez
Tampa Firemen and Other Firemen Fire Brigade: NeoNazis

Follow along with Tampa Stalking HERE.
Additional
data on GANG STALKING IN AMERICA and ELSEWHERE

KNOW WHERE YOU STAND AND STAND THERE
The DOCUMENTED TRUTH about Masons and Shriners (part of it )

Be the ONE MILLIONTH PERSON to sign the IMPEACH BUSH petition.
text "CHENEY" to 30644 to impeach him first, or text "BUSH" to 30644 to impeach him first, or text "BOTH" to 30644 if you think it would be strategically wise to go for the double play

The heart has it's reasons which reason knows nothing of.
*
We know truth, not only by reason, but also by the heart.
Blaise Pascal

Here's the last 25 messages on the Impeach Cheney matter
No Excuses : Email any rep in the country. Go ahead. They have to answer you; it's what you pay them for. Compel them to uphold their oath to protect the Constitution of the United States of America.

The lie was dead
And damned, and truth stood up instead.
Robert Browning

ANOTHER BUSH LIE


Also TEXT the word "TODAY" to 30644 to become part of the John Edwards campaign. Do it. He actually had rainbow bumper stickers. Kinda thoughtful.

I've saved some sunlight
if you should ever need
a place away from darkness
where your mind can feed.
from Rod McKuen's "I've Saved The Summer"

Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.
We have guided missiles and misguided men.

Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968)

Make today COUNT.
Go to to find the phone numbers of your Senators and Representative.

Bill Nelson 202 224 5274

Kathy Castor 202 225 3376 (UPDATED NUMBER)

Mel Martinez 202224 3041



Send a letter to the St.Pete Times
I don't care what you talk about but keep sending letters until they publish one. They're very selective with WHOM they publish because I see the same names over and over. Don't let a few people speak for ALL of us.

And call your congressman and talk to her of Inherent Contempt. Do it. And hug everyone you can reach.

North Jersey JUST DOIN it.

Headlights to Impeach
Turn them ON. PlEaSe ! Help a country out here. Also, click the link to sign the petition. Takes three seconds.

Live Vote for Impeachment

Vote in the National Cheney Impeachment Poll
Click Here

Bush Business (two states moving to convene grand juries)
Email your Congressman
Court of Impeachment and War Crimes

Brought to you LIVE from THE TAMPA NAIL HOUSE ... : Proud members of the drive-by media (just like Thomas Paine, father of America)

... located in the midtown desired redevelopment center just one block from the river.
The City of Tampa and it's assorted city-sanctioned gang members need this property because it's in the middle of land they intend to develop for gambling facilities.
LaS VEgas here in Tampa : Ta-Vegas or Tam-Gas.
But it's going to cost YOU a helluva lot of money as they defend their criminal acts in federal court due to what they are doing to my family and I in
the process of attempting to steal our home.

Terrorist,"Cause" and Gang Stalking Perpetrated by Tampa Firemen and other Firemen -- revealed and written about.

Some more threats from Tampa firemen (we'll just drive by your burning house if we know who you are) no kidding? I would NEVER have guessed that !
Stop Organized Stalking
More mention of Firefighter and Police participation in gang-stalking
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Impeaching WORLD CLASS CRIMINALS



Not my exact musical taste but ... I think you'll find it most enjoyable.


Brief aside for the idiot errrr genius. F"ING LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I smelled you all over that in a sec. You must think I'm NEW here. LOL. Listen, girl, you spend so much time up my butt crack I am getting all comfy sitting on your face. LOL. I've got a suggestion for you: Spend some time on YOUR OWN LIFE. I know MINE is endlessly fascinating to you .... can't say that I blame you. Looking upon yours I can't wonder why (i've SEEN him.. lol what a choice for you BOREEEENG) Anyhooo... the attention is flattering. Thank you. I know you are all eaten up with me. The funniest part is that you NEVER EVER cross my mind. You may have noticed that lack of click, babe. LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (i know it's killin ya) Goes to show what a real woman is made of as opposed to the hateful pseudo-woman you are all ova....
I find you so boring and therefore your associations have begun to bore me. I don't DO things that bore me and you are FIRMLY ENTRENCHED on that list.
You HAVE seen MY blog stats, right? LOL !!!

As usual, you're on your own. I won't let you climb up my back. Why not go say hi to the fellas?? All the time you spend ON ME surely takes from your other interests.

LOL !!! And, that's sad. Get your OWN LIFE, honey.

LAUGHING OUT LOUD AT YOU. Tried not to but you have really spent so much time on me that a lil laugh won't cost me.

Later.




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CRUCIAL ACTION: Contact the House Judiciary Committee and Nancy Pelosi TODAY. Don't wait. One click. The momentum is on our side and the world is watching. Bush cronies WORLD WIDE declaring martial law. Nation of GA, Pakistan, Burma ... Mexico's election illegal and then the flooding. GETTING THEM OUT OF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY. Believe this. And help a country out here.
Get your ARREST BUSH Tshirt HERE!!
SQUELCH THE FCC's HIDDEN PLAN geez
Tampa Firemen and Other Firemen Fire Brigade: NeoNazis

Follow along with Tampa Stalking HERE.
Additional
data on GANG STALKING IN AMERICA and ELSEWHERE

KNOW WHERE YOU STAND AND STAND THERE
The DOCUMENTED TRUTH about Masons and Shriners (part of it )

Be the ONE MILLIONTH PERSON to sign the IMPEACH BUSH petition.
text "CHENEY" to 30644 to impeach him first, or text "BUSH" to 30644 to impeach him first, or text "BOTH" to 30644 if you think it would be strategically wise to go for the double play

The heart has it's reasons which reason knows nothing of.
*
We know truth, not only by reason, but also by the heart.
Blaise Pascal

Here's the last 25 messages on the Impeach Cheney matter
No Excuses : Email any rep in the country. Go ahead. They have to answer you; it's what you pay them for. Compel them to uphold their oath to protect the Constitution of the United States of America.

The lie was dead
And damned, and truth stood up instead.
Robert Browning

ANOTHER BUSH LIE


Also TEXT the word "TODAY" to 30644 to become part of the John Edwards campaign. Do it. He actually had rainbow bumper stickers. Kinda thoughtful.

I've saved some sunlight
if you should ever need
a place away from darkness
where your mind can feed.
from Rod McKuen's "I've Saved The Summer"

Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.
We have guided missiles and misguided men.

Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968)

Make today COUNT.
Go to to find the phone numbers of your Senators and Representative.

Bill Nelson 202 224 5274

Kathy Castor 202 225 3376 (UPDATED NUMBER)

Mel Martinez 202224 3041



Send a letter to the St.Pete Times
I don't care what you talk about but keep sending letters until they publish one. They're very selective with WHOM they publish because I see the same names over and over. Don't let a few people speak for ALL of us.

And call your congressman and talk to her of Inherent Contempt. Do it. And hug everyone you can reach.

North Jersey JUST DOIN it.

Headlights to Impeach
Turn them ON. PlEaSe ! Help a country out here. Also, click the link to sign the petition. Takes three seconds.

Live Vote for Impeachment

Vote in the National Cheney Impeachment Poll
Click Here

Bush Business (two states moving to convene grand juries)
Email your Congressman
Court of Impeachment and War Crimes

Brought to you LIVE from THE TAMPA NAIL HOUSE ... : Proud members of the drive-by media (just like Thomas Paine, father of America)

... located in the midtown desired redevelopment center just one block from the river.
The City of Tampa and it's assorted city-sanctioned gang members need this property because it's in the middle of land they intend to develop for gambling facilities.
LaS VEgas here in Tampa : Ta-Vegas or Tam-Gas.
But it's going to cost YOU a helluva lot of money as they defend their criminal acts in federal court due to what they are doing to my family and I in
the process of attempting to steal our home.

Terrorist,"Cause" and Gang Stalking Perpetrated by Tampa Firemen and other Firemen -- revealed and written about.

Some more threats from Tampa firemen (we'll just drive by your burning house if we know who you are) no kidding? I would NEVER have guessed that !
Stop Organized Stalking
More mention of Firefighter and Police participation in gang-stalking
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Looking in the Mirror Sunday P E A C E Blogging

I LOVE THIS! And it fits my idea of peace and justice. In fact, I'm doing an add-on.
Thanks to Art Deegan and Harry Fischer ... thanks to St Pete Times for getting it right sometimes in some important ways .......

Today's Letters: Homeless need our help

Letters to the Editor
Published November 11, 2007
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Shelter for homeless is the right thing to do guest column by Richard T. Shireman, Oct. 31

I would like to thank you for printing the guest column. And I would especially like to thank Mr. Shireman for calling attention to the moral aspect of how we deal with the homeless in our community, especially what that says about us.

Morality is defined by Webster as a set of ideas of right and wrong used to evaluate human conduct. Mr. Shireman suggests that the right thing to do is to find it "intolerable that people are living in our midst without adequate shelter."

Where does such a view of right and wrong come from? For those who believe in God and practice a religion, it comes from conscience. And it doesn't matter which religion: As early as 1830, observers of our new republic noticed that Americans seemed to believe that their various religious denominations shared a common morality. "All differ in the worship one must render to the Creator, but all agree on the duties of man toward one another," said Alexis de Tocqueville.

This is due in no small part to the conviction of those early Americans that the public school system had as its main purpose to teach young people how to be good citizens. The Northwest Ordinance of 1789, for example, proclaimed that with "religion, morality and knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged."

As our nation grew, this font of common morality to judge what is right and wrong was sometimes said to be the Bible, other times recognized as a Judeo-Christian heritage, or more recently found in a set of "values" nurtured by faith-based organizations.

The common denominator in all this is that to be good citizens, to be able to look at ourselves in the mirror, to ensure the survival of the free society we inherited from our founders, we need to pull together to rid our communities of the scourge of homelessness.

Art Deegan,Clearwater

Store easy to navigate

My wife and I recently visited the Largo Wal-Mart, which was undergoing a reorganization. Everywhere we turned, people were complaining that they couldn't find anything.

While there, we also saw a smiling young lady get off the bus, walk through the parking lot, find her merchandise with help and head to the checkout area, still with that smiling face. We know that young lady. What's so special about her? She goes to our church in Clearwater, where she sings enthusiastically in the choir.

Oh, I forgot to tell you. She's blind.

Henry Fischer, St. Petersburg

BUT, the sad thing is ... these people (some of them) are WELL-USED to looking in the mirror and seeing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Like the ghouls of everywhere else ....



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CRUCIAL ACTION: Contact the House Judiciary Committee and Nancy Pelosi TODAY. Don't wait. One click. The momentum is on our side and the world is watching. Bush cronies WORLD WIDE declaring martial law. Nation of GA, Pakistan, Burma ... Mexico's election illegal and then the flooding. GETTING THEM OUT OF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY. Believe this. And help a country out here.
Get your ARREST BUSH Tshirt HERE!!
SQUELCH THE FCC's HIDDEN PLAN geez
Tampa Firemen and Other Firemen Fire Brigade: NeoNazis

Follow along with Tampa Stalking HERE.
Additional
data on GANG STALKING IN AMERICA and ELSEWHERE

KNOW WHERE YOU STAND AND STAND THERE
The DOCUMENTED TRUTH about Masons and Shriners (part of it )

Be the ONE MILLIONTH PERSON to sign the IMPEACH BUSH petition.
text "CHENEY" to 30644 to impeach him first, or text "BUSH" to 30644 to impeach him first, or text "BOTH" to 30644 if you think it would be strategically wise to go for the double play

The heart has it's reasons which reason knows nothing of.
*
We know truth, not only by reason, but also by the heart.
Blaise Pascal

Here's the last 25 messages on the Impeach Cheney matter
No Excuses : Email any rep in the country. Go ahead. They have to answer you; it's what you pay them for. Compel them to uphold their oath to protect the Constitution of the United States of America.

The lie was dead
And damned, and truth stood up instead.
Robert Browning

ANOTHER BUSH LIE


Also TEXT the word "TODAY" to 30644 to become part of the John Edwards campaign. Do it. He actually had rainbow bumper stickers. Kinda thoughtful.

I've saved some sunlight
if you should ever need
a place away from darkness
where your mind can feed.
from Rod McKuen's "I've Saved The Summer"

Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.
We have guided missiles and misguided men.

Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968)

Make today COUNT.
Go to to find the phone numbers of your Senators and Representative.

Bill Nelson 202 224 5274

Kathy Castor 202 225 3376 (UPDATED NUMBER)

Mel Martinez 202224 3041



Send a letter to the St.Pete Times
I don't care what you talk about but keep sending letters until they publish one. They're very selective with WHOM they publish because I see the same names over and over. Don't let a few people speak for ALL of us.

And call your congressman and talk to her of Inherent Contempt. Do it. And hug everyone you can reach.

North Jersey JUST DOIN it.

Headlights to Impeach
Turn them ON. PlEaSe ! Help a country out here. Also, click the link to sign the petition. Takes three seconds.

Live Vote for Impeachment

Vote in the National Cheney Impeachment Poll
Click Here

Bush Business (two states moving to convene grand juries)
Email your Congressman
Court of Impeachment and War Crimes

Brought to you LIVE from THE TAMPA NAIL HOUSE ... : Proud members of the drive-by media (just like Thomas Paine, father of America)

... located in the midtown desired redevelopment center just one block from the river.
The City of Tampa and it's assorted city-sanctioned gang members need this property because it's in the middle of land they intend to develop for gambling facilities.
LaS VEgas here in Tampa : Ta-Vegas or Tam-Gas.
But it's going to cost YOU a helluva lot of money as they defend their criminal acts in federal court due to what they are doing to my family and I in
the process of attempting to steal our home.

Terrorist,"Cause" and Gang Stalking Perpetrated by Tampa Firemen and other Firemen -- revealed and written about.

Some more threats from Tampa firemen (we'll just drive by your burning house if we know who you are) no kidding? I would NEVER have guessed that !
Stop Organized Stalking
More mention of Firefighter and Police participation in gang-stalking
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This made me LAUGH SO HARD

I have seen so many REEEDICKULOUS attempts to redeem the sad and blighted, bloated firefighter self-proclaimed reputations lately. IF I had time or initiative, I'd link you up to at least TEN stories in the last several weeks. Including the bullshit one about rescuing the three kids on Himes: obvious FABRICATION.

BUT, this one take the last (no probably NOT) slice of cake.

Apparently, they're the ONLY ONES in some places who can SWIM. AND, since it took them FOUR MINUTES to get there, of course they'll need MORE MONEY and MORE FIRE BRIGADE BOYS. OH and another tow truck and some more jet-skis. THEN, it will be even easier to INTIMIDATE and sway the voters into electing those whom they support. (Firefighters' various unions) .. as we saw recently in Pinellas where ALL FOUR SEATS were filled by those who were BACKED by the FIREFIGHTERS.

EXCERPT::::
. The city firefighters ran the table, endorsing all four winners. Wengay Newton's brother is the head of the St. Pete group.

2. The Pinellas Stonewall Democrats did well, too. The two candidates who said they would not attend the St. Pete Pride Parade (Montanari and Faulkner) both lost.

3. On paper, things look bad for Mayor Rick Baker, who endorsed two losers. But at least his most open and vocal critic, Bob Kersteen, lost. Kersteen wanted to fire deputy mayors Go Davis and Dave Metz.

Comments

The Stonewalls are overrated. It was Faulkner's arrests that doomed his campaign. That, and the powerful support of Wengay's brother - the fire union president. The firefighters were very visible in this campaign. (GO READ the rest of the comments. Yeah. The whole world run by politicians related to OR chosen by firefighters who would stand by and leave you to drown because they are UNTRAINED and UNheart, apparently. So much for Freakin pinellas. I wonder if this newton is the guy I got the photo of ... i'm gonna have to find out)


THEN -- what happens is that they have more connections to the (there goes the sewer smell again right after I shut the door. Mr.T or a city friend, I guess. FOIA will take care of that LOL)

Anyhooooo so THEN the fire brigade has MORE connections to teh MSM, more votes and administration FOR MORE BENEFITS and MORE FIREMEN, which translates into WHAT????

MORE VOTES for the city council (of firefighters' choice) and/or ANY political office then MORE FIREMEN/ more money for the firemen, then MORE VOTES and more money for firemen then MORE INFLUENCE more votes more money ...... yeah, it's all adding up.

Oh EQUALS TEN recent stories singing the praises of firemen who NO LONGER deserve it.

Thanks for the laughs.

Leave it to the civilians. Like usual.

If I see a car go in the drink --- I'll be jumping in to help.

Without waiting FOURMINUTES for BIG RED. Because god knows they're probably off stalking another innocent victim or rescuing some more children .... of their homies.

In this day of pseudo heroes who need BOTH MAINSTREAM NEWSPAPERS to pump out bullshit story after bullshit story of their prowess and fucking swimming skills because ONE LITTLE GIRL said "I'm not going to put up with you stalking my family and STEALING FROM US."... get your laughs where you can.

Get THIS: Teaching them 'how to swim' is part of a FOUR WEEK ORIENTATION. During which many errrrrrr rescue techniques are demo'd ..... hmmmmmm ...

In Tampa, a city almost ringed by water, every paramedic, emergency medical technician and firefighter is trained in water rescue and can jump in at a moment's notice, said Wade, who is now the fire rescue spokesman. It is one component of a four-week orientation.

Listen, supposin they run my ass off the bridge considering they've been VIDEOTAPED by two different entities running me off the Interstate you best believe I'll be swimming BUT FAST in the opposite direction even if it's OUT TO SEA. I'd advise the same for everyone.

AND, if these guys REALLY BELIEVE that they can convince anyone that ONLY THEY can rescue someone from the water --- why that would explain that self-important swagger they have.

Funny, I was convinced that it was a mask for the terrible self-esteem issues suffered by so many gangsters and stalkers.
That false cockiness has never done anything for me.

Here's the whole story before the TT disappears it on you .....

This was ESPECIALLY SICKENING TO ME:

In Manatee County last week, an off-duty paramedic pulled up after a car veered into a pond and he called for help. He wasn't trained to do any more. An ambulance arrived, but no one on board was trained, either.

They had to wait until firefighters arrived, four minutes later, and by then, it was too late. Both men drowned as onlookers stood by.

They weren't TRAINED to do anymore????????????? What EVER happened to SAVING ANOTHER HUMAN BEING ??? It's my personal experience with these lizard-weird folks. ANY drop of human compassion or heart for others was TRAINED and FRATERNALIZED right OUT OF THEM

Now, you or ME ? Would WE stand by while two men drowned????? WOULD WE??

I would NOT. NO ONE I can think of would. Stand BY. WHILE. TWO. PEOPLE. DROWN.

IN A POND. A POND. I can see if it was in a deep body of water. Anything less than fifteen or twenty feet deep is plenty doable with NO GEAR. DAMN.

TRAIN THIS.

You people were standing in the line for SHARTS when you were supposed to go get HEARTS. And it's pretty obvious the more I get a chance to observe your families as they stalk me and mine. SAD. It's NEVER EVER too late to change.






Accident Highlights Rescue Differences

Published: November 10, 2007

TAMPA - Bill Wade recalls the time a van drove off a seawall near the Platt Street Bridge and sank.

The water was dark, cold and choppy. But there were two children in the van. Wade and the other firefighter with him sized up the situation and jumped.

Rescue workers are facing more moments of truth like this as more people crowd into the Tampa Bay area, rich in waterways, then fall out of a boat, slip off a bridge or drive into a pond. Some rescuers will jump right in.

"They would use whatever tools they had available to try to get somebody out of the water," said Wade, now a fire rescue captain in Tampa. "You do the best you can with what's available."

But who jumps and when depends largely on where you live.

In Manatee County last week, an off-duty paramedic pulled up after a car veered into a pond and he called for help. He wasn't trained to do any more. An ambulance arrived, but no one on board was trained, either.

They had to wait until firefighters arrived, four minutes later, and by then, it was too late. Both men drowned as onlookers stood by.

Paramedics and emergency medical technicians in Manatee County are not trained to perform rescues as firefighters are, emergency medical service Capt. Larry Leinhauser said Friday. That won't change, he said, until water-rescue training is offered at emergency medical school.

"They can't do that any more than a firefighter can start an IV," he said.

Yet the city of Tampa and Pasco County have paramedics who can do it. In Hillsborough and Pinellas counties, a few have the training. Manatee and Polk counties say they have none.

Manatee County's emergency medical service endured withering criticism in the days after the accident. But Leinhauser said it would have been worse if untrained paramedics went into the water.

"We go to shootings and stabbings, and we put our lives on the line daily," he said. "We don't have water-rescue training, though. We just don't have the skills to do that. We can lose personnel. They may be well intended, but they're just not prepared to do that. It's foolish."

The department will make some changes, though, he said. Ambulances are adding flotation devices and rope lines as standard equipment so first-responders can throw them to people struggling in the water and pull them ashore should the need arise, Leinhauser said.

In Tampa, a city almost ringed by water, every paramedic, emergency medical technician and firefighter is trained in water rescue and can jump in at a moment's notice, said Wade, who is now the fire rescue spokesman. It is one component of a four-week orientation.

Training Levels Vary Around Region

The city was at the vanguard of a cross-training move back in the 1970s, Wade said, by schooling firefighters already trained in water rescue work to be emergency medical technicians and paramedics.

In Hillsborough County, cross-training has blurred the line between jobs, but only a select few in certain watery parts of the county have received water-rescue training, said Hillsborough Fire Rescue spokesman Bruce Delk.

"If we were to roll up on a scene," Delk said, "we do have personal flotation devices and tag lines. Still, it would be hard for us to be standing on the sidelines and not do something.

"If we were to take it upon ourselves to do that, that's what we would be doing, taking it upon ourselves. That takes specialized training and equipment that we do not have."

Two crews in the county are trained in surface water rescues, to help someone floating who needs help, but not in rescuing people who are submerged. In the past, firefighters have jumped in to pull people from a submerged vehicle and were cut by glass or metal.

In Pinellas County, a handful of crews are designated as marine units and can do water rescues, a department spokesman said. If a call comes in for a water-related emergency, those units are dispatched. But most paramedics or emergency medical technicians riding on an ambulance are not trained in performing water rescues.

As in Tampa, all of the Pasco County Fire Rescue responders are trained to jump in and do water rescues, said acting assistant Chief Mike Ciccarello.

Pasco County Cross Trained

"All of our people have been cross trained and have gone through the water-rescue training," he said. "We do water rescue, water survival, and all of our vehicles carry personal flotation devices."

He said the training is used often in Pasco: "Our people go into the water pretty routinely."

That's in contrast to Polk County, which, like Manatee County, doesn't have emergency medical responders trained in water rescue.

They used to get the training at a community college but it was cut, said emergency medical service spokeswoman Heather McClanahan. The Manatee County incident may push county officials to reconsider, McClanahan said.

"We might push a little harder for this," she said.

Still, crews are in the business of saving people, she said, and if an ambulance arrives at a water emergency, someone might jump in anyway.

"A crew has to make the call. They size up the scene and, if appropriate, they will go in. Nine times out of 10, they probably will go in."

That's what happened with Wade 14 years ago, when he found himself bobbing in the Hillsborough River near the Platt Street Bridge trying to save someone trapped in a van 10 feet below.

He said bystanders had jumped in and pulled a couple of children to safety, but the father was still inside. He wouldn't make it.

But Wade and the other firefighter, both of whom had water-rescue training, jumped in while others dumped the ice out of a foam cooler on the truck and tethered it to the shore. The two used the cooler as a place to rest between dives.

After they made four or five dives each, police divers arrived and took over.

"It was Dec. 27, 1993," Wade said, "and that water was cold."

WATER RESCUE: COMPARING COUNTIES

Tampa Fire Rescue: Every firefighter, paramedic and emergency medical technician undergoes water-rescue training as part of a four-week orientation after they are hired.

Hillsborough County Fire Rescue: Paramedics and firefighters do not have water-rescue training as a rule. Two units do have the expertise and equipment.

Pinellas County Emergency Medical Services: First responders generally are not trained in water rescue. Specially trained units are called in if water rescues are required.

Pasco County Fire Rescue: All paramedics, firefighters and emergency medical technicians are trained in water rescue. Vehicles have personal flotation devices and rope lines.

Polk County Emergency Medical Services: First responders used to get training from a community college, but instruction was halted a few years ago.

Source: Tribune research

Reporter Keith Morelli can be reached at kmorelli@tampatrib.com or (813) 259-7760.


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Posted by ( voxpopuli ) on November 11, 2007 at 1:06 a.m. ( Suggest removal )

This is a right laugh. THANKS !! LOL.

Listen if I see someone fall in the water, I and most other Americans CAN swim. Stand back boys we ain't got to wait no four minutes. How many more stories can the Tribune think up to prop these guys up with?? Just have them QUIT STALKING PEOPLE.
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