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Wednesday, December 19, 2007

Don't be a SUCKER for RON PAUL

  1. First of all you should ALWAYS be reading Blast Off's take on Ron Paul and his Paulistas.

    Second of all, by personal request the benevolent dictator of American Wisdom (across the Tampa Bay) has deigned to type his mind on exactly what Ron Paul is all about. This follows months of gentle and not so gentle discussion on HARDER LOOKS at Ron Paul. My insistence on the harder looks v. american wisdom's more sedate approach.

    Ron Paul is TRULY SCARY. Chilling to the bone. If you don't get it, you just don't GET IT. If you're fooled by him .... wow. I suggest a reading comprehension course. I tried to make short work of it by pointing out the dichotomy of his being a OB/GYN who was against a woman's right to choose. That wasn't good enough. Folks want to call you an issue voter. Nope. Issue voters are shallow thinkers.

    Let me tell you something about MY thinking process: There are some things I am NEVER done weighing. In fact, there's (at least) one issue in my life I've been turning over and looking at since I was four years old and I'm STILL not done. That's been decades spent enmired in thought on THE SAME SUBJECT.

    I don't toss out opinions lightly. I've been spending LO the many years honing skills and studying issues and investigating different careers and if I don't explain it fully with all the facts it's usually cause I'm way past it and bored or hoping that a LARGE example will suffice. As in: He's an F'ING LIAR. He took a Hippocratic Oath to protect the health of the rest of us. This means that any medical procedure needed for the health and well-being of any person is something he swore to uphold. I may not be a fan of abortion BUT the larger picture dictates: It's NOT my business. It is in the best interest of a woman to enable her to have control over her own body and future. Abortion is a medical procedure.

    Anyway, for all you issue voters and shallow thinkers behind Ron Paul: First ?? you fucking CRACK ME UP.

    Second ... here's MOST REASONS in a nutshell in case the fact that a BLATANT LIE spread over his lifetime wasn't enough.

    Stole this post RIGHT FROM American Wisdom. Thanks, Mark.


    Don't be a sucker for Ron Paul
    Here are some thoughts on Ron Paul:

ONE: First and foremost, how can ANYONE of integrity associate with the Republican Party after all they've done. What?

What?

TWO: Second, How can ANYONE with a lick of sense reason that further chopping up the republic and selling it off to corporate cronies will enable us to collectively enforce our Constitution and its protections against concentrated wealth?

Learn what happened to Chile after September 11, 1973.

And then learn how neo-liberalism (not social liberalism) destroys republics and could destroy ours.

THREE: Why does the Ron Paul Campaign have such appeal to hate groups such as the White Supremacist group StormFront, and religious types who want to impose their philosophy on others?

I am not criticizing Ron Paul as a man, but if he truly wanted to protect the constitution he wouldn't advocate the further privatization of our constitutional republican government, further gutting our ability to oversee the management of our community.

I smell a false-populist, false revolution.

Recognize Ron Paul's phony rallying cry to protect the constitution as a ploy by the "Republican" party to continue their destruction our republic.History repeats itself. Learn what happened in 1933.Wise Up.http://www.americanwisdom.org/

VOX says: This reminds me of local populists. Get your shit together. Populist is another word for we'll fuck you harder than the neocons even THOUGHT about. Amen brothers and sisters.


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CRUCIAL ACTION: Contact the House Judiciary Committee and Nancy Pelosi TODAY. Don't wait. One click. The momentum is on our side and the world is watching. Bush cronies WORLD WIDE declaring martial law. Nation of GA, Pakistan, Burma ... Mexico's election illegal and then the flooding. GETTING THEM OUT OF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY. Believe this. And help a country out here.

A successful person is one who can lay a firm foundation with the bricks that others throw at him or her. David Brinkley

Get your ARREST BUSH Tshirt HERE!!
SQUELCH THE FCC's HIDDEN PLAN geez
Tampa Firemen and Other Firemen Fire Brigade: NeoNazis

Follow along with Tampa Stalking HERE.
Additional
data on GANG STALKING IN AMERICA and ELSEWHERE

KNOW WHERE YOU STAND AND STAND THERE
The DOCUMENTED TRUTH about Masons and Shriners (part of it )

Be the ONE MILLIONTH PERSON to sign the IMPEACH BUSH petition.
text "CHENEY" to 30644 to impeach him first, or text "BUSH" to 30644 to impeach him first, or text "BOTH" to 30644 if you think it would be strategically wise to go for the double play

The heart has it's reasons which reason knows nothing of.
*
We know truth, not only by reason, but also by the heart.
Blaise Pascal

Here's the last 25 messages on the Impeach Cheney matter
No Excuses : Email any rep in the country. Go ahead. They have to answer you; it's what you pay them for. Compel them to uphold their oath to protect the Constitution of the United States of America.

The lie was dead
And damned, and truth stood up instead.
Robert Browning

ANOTHER BUSH LIE


Also TEXT the word "TODAY" to 30644 to become part of the John Edwards campaign. Do it. He actually had rainbow bumper stickers. Kinda thoughtful.

I've saved some sunlight
if you should ever need
a place away from darkness
where your mind can feed.
from Rod McKuen's "I've Saved The Summer"

Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.
We have guided missiles and misguided men.

Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968)

Make today COUNT.
Go to to find the phone numbers of your Senators and Representative.

Bill Nelson 202 224 5274

Kathy Castor 202 225 3376 (UPDATED NUMBER)

Mel Martinez 202224 3041








Send a letter to the St.Pete Times
I don't care what you talk about but keep sending letters until they publish one. They're very selective with WHOM they publish because I see the same names over and over. Don't let a few people speak for ALL of us.

And call your congressman and talk to her of Inherent Contempt. Do it. And hug everyone you can reach.

North Jersey JUST DOIN it.

Headlights to Impeach
Turn them ON. PlEaSe ! Help a country out here. Also, click the link to sign the petition. Takes three seconds.

Live Vote for Impeachment

Vote in the National Cheney Impeachment Poll
Click Here

Bush Business (two states moving to convene grand juries)
Email your Congressman
Court of Impeachment and War Crimes

Brought to you LIVE from THE TAMPA NAIL HOUSE ... : Proud members of the drive-by media (just like Thomas Paine, father of America)

... located in the midtown desired redevelopment center just one block from the river.
The City of Tampa and it's assorted city-sanctioned gang members need this property because it's in the middle of land they intend to develop for gambling facilities.
LaS VEgas here in Tampa : Ta-Vegas or Tam-Gas.
But it's going to cost YOU a helluva lot of money as they defend their criminal acts in federal court due to what they are doing to my family and I in
the process of attempting to steal our home.

Terrorist,"Cause" and Gang Stalking Perpetrated by Tampa Firemen and other Firemen -- revealed and written about.

Some more threats from Tampa firemen (we'll just drive by your burning house if we know who you are) no kidding? I would NEVER have guessed that !
Stop Organized Stalking
More mention of Firefighter and Police participation in gang-stalking
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The Moral Test of Our Generation

Shameless plugging of John Edwards.



I love him.



I want you to love him, too.



He's an excellent speaker. I would rather you listen to his youtubes or BETTER --- see him in person.


Barring that --- here's his stirring speech as cited in Tracy Joan's diary at the Daily Kos.



How I WISH I were in Iowa.

But, he seems to be doing okay without me.

Tiny Little Dots: Edwards ON TOP.

Go JOHN !!!

America is counting on you. I am counting on you !!!

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CRUCIAL ACTION: Contact the House Judiciary Committee and Nancy Pelosi TODAY. Don't wait. One click. The momentum is on our side and the world is watching. Bush cronies WORLD WIDE declaring martial law. Nation of GA, Pakistan, Burma ... Mexico's election illegal and then the flooding. GETTING THEM OUT OF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY. Believe this. And help a country out here.

A successful person is one who can lay a firm foundation with the bricks that others throw at him or her. David Brinkley

Get your ARREST BUSH Tshirt HERE!!
SQUELCH THE FCC's HIDDEN PLAN geez
Tampa Firemen and Other Firemen Fire Brigade: NeoNazis

Follow along with Tampa Stalking HERE.
Additional
data on GANG STALKING IN AMERICA and ELSEWHERE

KNOW WHERE YOU STAND AND STAND THERE
The DOCUMENTED TRUTH about Masons and Shriners (part of it )

Be the ONE MILLIONTH PERSON to sign the IMPEACH BUSH petition.
text "CHENEY" to 30644 to impeach him first, or text "BUSH" to 30644 to impeach him first, or text "BOTH" to 30644 if you think it would be strategically wise to go for the double play

The heart has it's reasons which reason knows nothing of.
*
We know truth, not only by reason, but also by the heart.
Blaise Pascal

Here's the last 25 messages on the Impeach Cheney matter
No Excuses : Email any rep in the country. Go ahead. They have to answer you; it's what you pay them for. Compel them to uphold their oath to protect the Constitution of the United States of America.

The lie was dead
And damned, and truth stood up instead.
Robert Browning

ANOTHER BUSH LIE


Also TEXT the word "TODAY" to 30644 to become part of the John Edwards campaign. Do it. He actually had rainbow bumper stickers. Kinda thoughtful.

I've saved some sunlight
if you should ever need
a place away from darkness
where your mind can feed.
from Rod McKuen's "I've Saved The Summer"

Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.
We have guided missiles and misguided men.

Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968)

Make today COUNT.
Go to to find the phone numbers of your Senators and Representative.

Bill Nelson 202 224 5274

Kathy Castor 202 225 3376 (UPDATED NUMBER)

Mel Martinez 202224 3041













Send a letter to the St.Pete Times
I don't care what you talk about but keep sending letters until they publish one. They're very selective with WHOM they publish because I see the same names over and over. Don't let a few people speak for ALL of us.

And call your congressman and talk to her of Inherent Contempt. Do it. And hug everyone you can reach.

North Jersey JUST DOIN it.

Headlights to Impeach
Turn them ON. PlEaSe ! Help a country out here. Also, click the link to sign the petition. Takes three seconds.

Live Vote for Impeachment

Vote in the National Cheney Impeachment Poll
Click Here

Bush Business (two states moving to convene grand juries)
Email your Congressman
Court of Impeachment and War Crimes

Brought to you LIVE from THE TAMPA NAIL HOUSE ... : Proud members of the drive-by media (just like Thomas Paine, father of America)

... located in the midtown desired redevelopment center just one block from the river.
The City of Tampa and it's assorted city-sanctioned gang members need this property because it's in the middle of land they intend to develop for gambling facilities.
LaS VEgas here in Tampa : Ta-Vegas or Tam-Gas.
But it's going to cost YOU a helluva lot of money as they defend their criminal acts in federal court due to what they are doing to my family and I in
the process of attempting to steal our home.

Terrorist,"Cause" and Gang Stalking Perpetrated by Tampa Firemen and other Firemen -- revealed and written about.

Some more threats from Tampa firemen (we'll just drive by your burning house if we know who you are) no kidding? I would NEVER have guessed that !
Stop Organized Stalking
More mention of Firefighter and Police participation in gang-stalking
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If America does not lead, who WILL?

Nearly 70 years ago, another generation of Americans faced a world darkened by insecurity.

The storm clouds of fascism and totalitarianism were gathering over Europe and Asia. We were struggling to emerge from the depths of the Great Depression. And it was easy to think then that our problems at home were too big for us to try to tackle the problems mounting abroad.

Yet that generation of Americans saw in the challenges of their day not a cause for despair, but a call to greatness.

And they answered it. Not meekly, not uncertainly. But proudly, confidently, and with conviction. Because they had what we have – the idea of America. It's right here.

And in answering that call, not only secured freedom for the people of Europe and Asia – they laid the foundation for a new American economy that produced the greatest expansion of the middle class and the sharpest reduction of poverty in the history of the world.

They turned the 20th century into the American century.

Now it is our turn – to see the challenges we face with an unblinking eye and once again to answer the call.

Proudly, confidently, and with conviction.

It is our responsibility. As Abraham Lincoln once called us, we are still the "last best hope of earth." If America does not lead, who will?

I believe we are up to the task. I am certain of it.
Please click to read the rest ...



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CRUCIAL ACTION: Contact the House Judiciary Committee and Nancy Pelosi TODAY. Don't wait. One click. The momentum is on our side and the world is watching. Bush cronies WORLD WIDE declaring martial law. Nation of GA, Pakistan, Burma ... Mexico's election illegal and then the flooding. GETTING THEM OUT OF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY. Believe this. And help a country out here.

A successful person is one who can lay a firm foundation with the bricks that others throw at him or her. David Brinkley

Get your ARREST BUSH Tshirt HERE!!
SQUELCH THE FCC's HIDDEN PLAN geez
Tampa Firemen and Other Firemen Fire Brigade: NeoNazis

Follow along with Tampa Stalking HERE.
Additional
data on GANG STALKING IN AMERICA and ELSEWHERE

KNOW WHERE YOU STAND AND STAND THERE
The DOCUMENTED TRUTH about Masons and Shriners (part of it )

Be the ONE MILLIONTH PERSON to sign the IMPEACH BUSH petition.
text "CHENEY" to 30644 to impeach him first, or text "BUSH" to 30644 to impeach him first, or text "BOTH" to 30644 if you think it would be strategically wise to go for the double play

The heart has it's reasons which reason knows nothing of.
*
We know truth, not only by reason, but also by the heart.
Blaise Pascal

Here's the last 25 messages on the Impeach Cheney matter
No Excuses : Email any rep in the country. Go ahead. They have to answer you; it's what you pay them for. Compel them to uphold their oath to protect the Constitution of the United States of America.

The lie was dead
And damned, and truth stood up instead.
Robert Browning

ANOTHER BUSH LIE


Also TEXT the word "TODAY" to 30644 to become part of the John Edwards campaign. Do it. He actually had rainbow bumper stickers. Kinda thoughtful.

I've saved some sunlight
if you should ever need
a place away from darkness
where your mind can feed.
from Rod McKuen's "I've Saved The Summer"

Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.
We have guided missiles and misguided men.

Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968)

Make today COUNT.
Go to to find the phone numbers of your Senators and Representative.

Bill Nelson 202 224 5274

Kathy Castor 202 225 3376 (UPDATED NUMBER)

Mel Martinez 202224 3041






Send a letter to the St.Pete Times
I don't care what you talk about but keep sending letters until they publish one. They're very selective with WHOM they publish because I see the same names over and over. Don't let a few people speak for ALL of us.

And call your congressman and talk to her of Inherent Contempt. Do it. And hug everyone you can reach.

North Jersey JUST DOIN it.

Headlights to Impeach
Turn them ON. PlEaSe ! Help a country out here. Also, click the link to sign the petition. Takes three seconds.

Live Vote for Impeachment

Vote in the National Cheney Impeachment Poll
Click Here

Bush Business (two states moving to convene grand juries)
Email your Congressman
Court of Impeachment and War Crimes

Brought to you LIVE from THE TAMPA NAIL HOUSE ... : Proud members of the drive-by media (just like Thomas Paine, father of America)

... located in the midtown desired redevelopment center just one block from the river.
The City of Tampa and it's assorted city-sanctioned gang members need this property because it's in the middle of land they intend to develop for gambling facilities.
LaS VEgas here in Tampa : Ta-Vegas or Tam-Gas.
But it's going to cost YOU a helluva lot of money as they defend their criminal acts in federal court due to what they are doing to my family and I in
the process of attempting to steal our home.

Terrorist,"Cause" and Gang Stalking Perpetrated by Tampa Firemen and other Firemen -- revealed and written about.

Some more threats from Tampa firemen (we'll just drive by your burning house if we know who you are) no kidding? I would NEVER have guessed that !
Stop Organized Stalking
More mention of Firefighter and Police participation in gang-stalking
Technorati Tags

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More Threats from Friends of Tampa Firemen

What's stupid and boring about all of this is somewhere in their overheated imaginations the Tampa Firemen believe that they can't be video-d or photo-d at night and that when they send their little dark folks in to send messages and threats it won't tie back to them.

Baby, it begins and ENDS with yall. Not quite but yall are clothes-pinned to everything that happened. Buh bye cushy retirement !!!

Let's see: This is the THIRD time they have threatened to broadside my car only the added enhancement is that they used a car to lodge their threat which appears very similar to one driven by my family member. The same one who mysteriously suffered a flat tire long about the NEXT DAY from the flat tire discussion I had with Officer Runkle of the Tampa Police Dept.

So --- along with the 'your car will catch on fire from the fuel injectors' .. verizon employee to numerous car tamperings and flat tires the NEOCONS of the Tampa Fire Dept and their friend, my neighbor (LOL)and the nephew of a Tampa Fireman and his associates (you'd have to see it to believe it) have PHYSICALLY EXTENDED their target of threats to my family. Proof exists.

From the video of the neighbors confabbing with the Tampa Fire dept and etc.

Guys -- lemme make this FUCKING CLEAR.

YOU LOST.

DEAL WITH IT.

Nothing is going to change that. Threaten me, threaten my family, use more hair gel whatever you want to do.

YOU LOST.

DEAL WITH IT.

Merry Christmas, LOSERS !!

Only losers would threaten women and children.

Yep. You think it was bad to lose two of your scumbags to fraud, theft and what else was that? And, wasn't it SO FUNNY how I've got people jumping on the bandwagon all over the place now bitching about how we pay you BULLIES pensions FOR LIFE no matter what kind of scum you are? I'm LOVING IT.

AND, you actually believe that even ONE TINY MOTHERFUCKING THING that happens to anyone I even remotely KNOW won't be pinned on you with all the evidence I have of your collusion with every scumbag that comes near me?

So - my advice to you --- keep a very close eye on everyone that I love. Because if even a murmur of unhappiness arises ....

Go read the comments on the losers who sat at Starbux on YOUR dime. I'm pretty sure that I went to school with at least ONE of those guys.

Unlike lots of people there I didn't check my soul at the door.


Oh, look, here's a TREAT: One of the idiots employed by the Tampa Fire Dept admits publicly that he is WELL AWARE of my blog (hey, guess what big "MAN" I already KNEW THAT -- I got loads of video of yall stalking me and glaring at me and stalking CHILDREN -- what do you want the children for kiddie porn?? MORE kiddie porn, I should say???)

From the Tampa Trib: (thanks captruss)


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By Ellen Gedalius of The Tampa Tribune
Published: December 17, 2007
TAMPA - Tampa fire inspectors Toy Pelaez and Manuel Perrone resigned from their positions effective at noon today. They are the subjects of criminal and administrative investigations into whether they inappropriately accepted favors from Advanced Engineered Systems, a company that does business with the city.
Pelaez and Perrone will receive their pensions and be paid for accrued sick leave and vacation time. Perrone will receive $20,000 for sick leave, and Pelaez will get $5,000. Pelaez will be paid about $4,800 for vacation time, and Perrone about $2,600.
Both have worked for the city for more than 20 years.
Reader Comments
Posted by ( picogator ) on December 17, 2007 at 5:43 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Good Bye...and Good Riddance!
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Posted by ( jaydog713 ) on December 17, 2007 at 5:55 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Just like I said, where else but in a government job can you resign in disgrace and Perrone will receive $20,000 for sick leave, and Pelaez will get $5,000. Pelaez will be paid about $4,800 for vacation time, and Perrone about $2,600, AND lets not forget their pensiions we will be paying these POS's for the rest of their lives.How much do you want to bet they will be working for Advanced Engineered Systems next year.
They should not be allowed to resign but be fired and proscuted.
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Posted by ( avent37 ) on December 17, 2007 at 6:20 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Typical any job involved in gov't you can totally screw up, swindle, bribe have sex w/ pages find yourself in a MAdame's black book and still get all your vacrtion and sick pay and yes still collect your pen sions and bonuses. Now if it a was hard working slob his ass would be thrown in jail...Another clear demonstration how this country and local gov't are crooked and have taken on the politics of the third world...screw all the citizens and pay the gov't....SCUM BAGS !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by ( wclj2007 ) on December 17, 2007 at 6:36 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Those who are commenting I am assuming that you have never done anything wrong in your life. I love how everyone loves to bash people in commments. These people are already going to be punished. So let them take their consequences and that be it.
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Posted by ( TheFed ) on December 17, 2007 at 7:05 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
If it can be proved they took bribes before they were eligible for pensions they should forfeit their pensions. But I doubt that was thw case. They were probably vested before they took the bribes. At the least, their pensions should be adjusted down and they should be made to pay back all salaries from the time they first took bribes.
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Posted by ( CptRickJames ) on December 17, 2007 at 7:20 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Jaydog713 & avent37:You are perfect examples of two individuals that don't understand or respect the hazards that professional Firefighters face. You probably sit behind a desk and push a pencil dreaming of the opportunity to perform the service these men have performed for this community. Your half cocked comments based on the limited and perversely skewed information found in the press makes you look ignorant. After giving over 20 years of their lives they are entitled to receive the benefits they have earned and your probably right, these two men soon will be working for a company or Fire Dept. based on there knowledge and experience and you two “SCUM BAGS!!!!“ will still be dreaming.
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Posted by ( CaptainRuss ) on December 17, 2007 at 7:56 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Hey capt rickjames, the "service" these halfwits performed for me & my city is they STOLE from us. As a TAX payer in South Tampa, I expect to get a day's honest work out of the people that me and my neighbors pay them to perform. Also, I live VERY CLOSE to the Starbucks on Bay to Bay Blvd. that these "heroes" would campout on their fat A55es at---all the while getting FREE COFFEE!!! (another kickback?) The only hazzard there is that they may have burned a tongue once or twice! hahaha I especially, on one occassion, thought that it was in extreme poor taste that Perrone and 2 of his cohorts lingered at Sbux-for about an hour-the day after the city was to release the list of lay-offs. WOW! I do know this...A LOT of my FF friends are happy that this came to light, b/c it was certainly besmudging an otherwise VERY FINE & PROUD department. Go ahead and attack me all you want, but I will have you know, I think its a SHAME the city commission re-negged on your contract & I told Dingfelder the same.
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Posted by ( likes2mtnbike ) on December 17, 2007 at 8:28 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Sure, CaptRickJames, do what's popular in the services that are supposed to protect and defend us: refer to us as scumbags when you get caught doing wrong. I'm a little tired of the defensiveness in Tampa Fire, as well as TPD. Keep your guys noses clean and you won't have to bash The Little People who pay your salaries.
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Posted by ( Tripod ) on December 17, 2007 at 8:40 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
No where was it mentioned that these men were bribed. There is a huge difference between a bribe and a gift. Especially such minor gifts in an industry where the stakes are so high. Their judgement in accepting gifts and the bogus timecards can be questioned but their inspections were legit.
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Posted by ( voxpopuli ) on December 17, 2007 at 8:58 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
And you would know that HOW< Tripod??
CaptainRuss, what you say sounds the most likely. If there are really THAT many decent firemen left in this city I would appreciate one of them contacting me through my blog. http://tampasbackdoor.blogspot.com
I could sure use some help getting them to stop stalking me and endangering lives as they do so.They use their wives and other family members to do the same thing. Got all the starbux pictures of same. Sunday starbucks stalking.
Pinellas firemen participate, as well.
I'm so tired of that drivel: risking their lives to save me every day while others salivate for the job.Drive by a few of these stations and have a look at the jet-skis and the lack of nutrition observed.People KNOW.
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Posted by ( voxpopuli ) on December 17, 2007 at 8:59 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
WAIT !! Were they arrested???
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Posted by ( voxpopuli ) on December 17, 2007 at 9:06 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
nope I'm not seeing any of that .. probably the union attorney will be paid to represent them.
Oh, I mean US. The citizens of Tampa whom they stalk.What kind of vehicles do these thieves drive?? The van with the red stripe??
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Posted by ( CaptainRuss ) on December 17, 2007 at 9:13 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Hey Vox--get my name out of your mouth-I am aware of your blog and it's lunatic rantings--you should be more concerned about the black helicopters that follow you from MacDill AFB.
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Posted by ( kimbo ) on December 17, 2007 at 9:21 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Reward the guys, it's free money right? Tax dollars are free goverment money, they give it away all the time... I just can't seem to be in the right place to get my share. You know, work, kids, helping out at the school. No time left to get my share.
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Posted by ( GF ) on December 17, 2007 at 10:15 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
20K in sick time? A pension? Holy F! Most folks don't make that in a year of honest work. No pension either. Our tax dollars at work. No wonder we can't get a break on our taxes. RickJames, hazard my a$$. How about pay for performance and pay & benefits severed for wrongdoing, like the rest of the working folks.
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Posted by ( borntorun ) on December 17, 2007 at 11:10 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
How about waiting until all the facts come out before convicting them! As far as their pension goes, the city does'nt pay them anything once they retire, the private pension fund they have paid into for the past 20+ years does.
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Posted by ( FF_RICKJAMES ) on December 17, 2007 at 11:31 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Let me educate the taxpayers and the public by stating FACTS you left out! First, I can always count on the Tampa Tribune for bashing me and my career field. I dont make 59K like your Saturday opinion article. Sick Leave paid to these inspectors is time that they earned and accrued on the job by coming to work. This accrued sick time will be used if a line of duty injury occurs and we are unable to preform our duties as profesional firefighters. I.E. Motor vehicle accident, non-breathing family member of a tax payers, and yes structure fires. Finaly, a pension that we contribute to with our money. The city doesn't hand out pension for hanging out at fire stations for 20 years. I hope that by coming in contact with hazardous material I.E; blood, feces, vomitus, ect, ect, ect. I hope that I have earned my pension.
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Posted by ( 66nova ) on December 17, 2007 at 11:50 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
The lawyer of the firefighters are paid through dues that are taken out of the firefighters check per month.
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Posted by ( Teena ) on December 18, 2007 at midnight ( Suggest removal )
There are MANY good govt employees. But there are even more RETARDED ones with obese attitudes. Top that off with the fact that they act emotionally disabled and know they have lifetime job security !!!
And more and more we find they make a second job out of it accepting bribes (housing authority, tax peeps, city counsel atty etc )
can I get an amend that they'd never get a job in the private sector!
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Posted by ( 66nova ) on December 18, 2007 at 12:40 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
These men were firefighters before they were inspectors. they have surved the city for many years, and to those of you that live in the city they may have helped you or one of your loved ones,so for you to bash them just isnt right. I have a question? what are you people getting out of slandering tampa fire dept. They give alot to the community. I think they just raised 40k for chairty. say something bad about that. Tampa is a proud dept b/c they take pride in protecting the people.even those who bash them. Its going to take alot more than this to disgrace the good name of tampa fire.
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Posted by ( tired_of_ignorance ) on December 18, 2007 at 12:48 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I don't even know where to start with all the BS and ignorance I see posted on here. Is the BS out of jealousy cause you are not capable of doing the job? You are probably better off anyways cause you will probably live longer and avoid the possibility of catching a disease from someone you try to help in their emergency or the possibility of getting injured by trying to save a property that is on fire. You have no idea what the job entitles. You have no idea what the pay structure is all about and who payes what. Yes, taxpayers pay the City and the City pays the firemen, the police, the public works, etc, etc. The retirement is payed to a private pension by the firemen, not the City. The Starbuck's thing is ridiculous. Why can't a fireman get a coffee? You have never gotten a coffee while at work, a-hole? What do you thing keeps them up to run the emergencies at 2, 3, 4 in the morning? They work a 24hr day and off 48. That is more hours a week then a 9-5 job. I am guessing that the ignorant bloggers here have never used the 911 system? If you haven't, then you are fortunate, cause you haven't had an emergency situation that requires the skill and abiliy that these men/women have to help when others won't. Maybe one day you will need the help and guess who will show up? Yup, a firemen. Not a firemen making 59K a year, but a firemen who is away from their family for 48-72hrs a week and another 20-30hrs at another job just to be able to support that family. Why don't you get your facts straight and realize who you may have to call when the S@#t hits the fan. Go find someone else to pick on, cause a firemen knows who the people call and who the people rely on when they are in need. The whole "accepting gift" BS. That is all it is, BS. So, stop being so ignorant and hateful and start supporting those who just may show up on your doorstep and save YOUR life.
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Posted by ( 66nova ) on December 18, 2007 at 1:01 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
CaptRuss a real fireman wouldnt like to see another brother or fellow dept drug through this. so much for brother hood. i bet you make a real good capt.
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Posted by ( JHMcLovin ) on December 18, 2007 at 1:55 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I'm guessing most of you people posting on here have never been in the situations that firefighters have been. I'm also guessing that when someone calls for help, you are not the one to respond. These men served the City of Tampa for close to half their lives. They put their lives at risk and you have the nerve to say that they do not deserve their pension that they pay for during their entire career. Did you all know that a starting firefighter/paramedic in the City of Tampa can qualify for food stamps, To me, with all the risks they take out there is a shame. I pay taxes, which only a very small percentage goes to salaries does not make me think that firefighters are overpaid. I would rather see the whopping 400 dollars I'm saving this entire year on my reduced taxes go to protecting my life and property. Firefighters work 48-72hr work weeks for a total of about 2500 hrs a yr compared to 2080 for a 40hr work week. Now do your own math, someone making 35,000 yr is making much more per hr for a 40hr job. They work all day,night,weekends,holidays away from their families that they bring diseases home to. Why don't you all think about the big picture before you bash people you don't even know while you are safe at home with your family and knowing you have someone to call for help.
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Posted by ( blaze1 ) on December 18, 2007 at 8:38 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
FF/james:Correction, accrued sick leave in Tampa IS NOT for on the job injury. It is for personal sickness, family emergencies, getting off for the weekend schedule. Why don't you people get over the same ole crap, "they work 1/3 of their life away from their families". You firefighters have beat that dead horse long enough! Don't forget the Captain that was forced to resign, oh I'm sorry allowed to retired for being the ring leader of a "photo session" at Fire Station 21, then lied through the complete investigation. Then the firefighter caught hiding behind an electronics store with a fire dept forceable entry tool which was used in an attempted B&E, Or the firefighter a few months ago stopped for DUI and had Coke on him, the TFR driver engineer that was forced to "retire" to go serve prison time for purchasing kiddie porn.The firefighter that within the last 2 weeks that retired due to a DUI/ and drugs in a northern county. These are only Tampa Fire Rescue Employees that have been mentioned. DRUG TEST EVERY TFR EMPLOYEES NOW FROM THE FIRE CHIEF TO THE DISPATCHER, You will be shocked from the results.I worked there for over 30 years. The Fire Investigators are crooked, the page each other at home so they can get out of the house to meet up with their mistress'. Paramedics teaching student on "ride alongs", then swapping the students from rescue car to rescue car because of the acts the students will preform for a good grade. That Department needs a regood cleaning and rehab.
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Posted by ( CaptainRuss ) on December 18, 2007 at 10:04 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Where do I begin? First of all-66nova, what makes you think I am a F/F? Secondly, Let's revert to the lowest common denominator-- STEALING is wrong-Don't u think? I am a WITNESS to these guys lounging around all the while on the clock--and LYING about it! 2,3,4 in the morning??? Pssst-PLEASE!!!HARDLY so! -These guys are 9to5ers, who WERE at some point a F/F BUT do to some reason or another left that line and took up inspecting. (I have from good sources that one of these guys, in particular, was AFRAID of fire AND another is married to Chief Boto's daughter--NO WAY there is any cronyism there right??? HA) Now they may have-and probably DID do a lot of good for our city, but power corrupts & they showed poor character in their decisions. Look- I have VERY much respect for ANY fire service and those of you on the Dept that are posting here should direct your anger toward those within, who choose to do bad things while wearing your uniform-Sic Semper Tyrannis
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Posted by ( CindyInTampa ) on December 18, 2007 at 10:55 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
blaze1, would your long career hold up to today's standards if you were investigated? Would you be squeaky clean with no mistakes?
After a 30+ year career, I'm sure you left the department from a pretty high administrative position. Lots of opportunities there to take advantage of the system and maybe bend the rules without getting caught. While dragging others through the mud for the mistakes they have made, is it fair to say you were the model city employee?
Sounds to me your just bitter about something else. Something you feel you've been done wrong over and now you'll take shots at others given every opportunity. How sad, small, and shallow.
As far as the alleged mistakes the two investigators made, I wish them well. I cant even begin to imagine the turmoil they and their families must now endure. I do not forgive them for their mistakes but I have no doubt they have done much more good than bad throughout their long careers and I'd like to at least thank them for that. I thank even you blaze1 for your 30+ years of service even though I'm sure you've made your mistakes too.
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Posted by ( jb1117 ) on December 18, 2007 at 12:46 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Blaze 1 obviously you have a lot of inside information and some built up anger for some reason. If in fact you did work for TFR for 30+ years I hope to GOD none of them were with me. To get on this forum and air dirty laundry about a job that provides you and your family financial security makes me sick to my stomach. Some brother you turned out to be. The fire department is a cross section of society and shares the same problems as many other profession. We have clergy that like to play with children, Senators that like to play footsies in the public bathroom and fireman and cops that sometimes dont do the right thing. To state that TFR needs a good cleaning is obserd, yes we have had a few problems just like other professions but TFR more than 500 dedicated employees that will answer every call that is dispatched and will do so to the best of thier abilities. Blaze 1 why don't you just shut your pie hole and enjoy your retirement. Better yet come out from behind you screne name and be a man.JAB14C
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Posted by ( blaze1 ) on December 18, 2007 at 1:48 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Did I hit a nerve Joe? I'm glad you not on the city's computer! Get a life....RETIRE!!! HAHAHAHA
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Posted by ( JHMcLovin ) on December 18, 2007 at 2:25 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Blaze1 must have be one of the retirees that are pissed off because the firefighters only making 30,000yr didnt vote to increase his 80,000 plus pension with the new multiplier. JB1117, he does not have the balls to come out behind the screen name. He will just sit at home with nothing to do and complain because he probably feels cheated while collecting a bigger check than 75 percent of the active department. CaptainRuss, you need to check back with your source because only half of your info is correct. Like most small minded people you only post what you want people to hear not the whole truth. It is truly sad to see that there are people out there that are bashing firefighters that protect the community. If anyone out there is mad because of the benefits, why didn't you sign up?? We are not in this profession for the money. I could take my degree and make 3x more in the private sector, but I enjoy my job and feel that most intelligent people appreciate the work we do. Unfortunately there are some people on this blog that are too ignorant to see it.
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Posted by ( blaze1 ) on December 18, 2007 at 5:51 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Tell me one thing that I wrote wasn't truthful? Lovy, firefighters are topping out at over 63k a year. Where did 30k come from. If you think you could be making 3X what you're making now, then you're stupid for not doing it.
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Posted by ( fromme ) on December 18, 2007 at 6:36 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
"Better yet come out from behind you screne name and be a man."JAB14C
yeah right...he's a puss captain..he's the one that needs a life...he sits on here allday spewing garbage out...probably spent half his 30 years on light duty
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Posted by ( 66nova ) on December 18, 2007 at 6:46 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
blaze stop hating on fire fighters. 4 year f1's make alot closer to 30 than 63k and thats like half the job. when you were on the job gas was almost free and a house was under 100k, so go cry me a river, old man. enjoy life ply shuffle board
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Posted by ( JHMcLovin ) on December 18, 2007 at 7:04 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
blaze 30,000 comes from the union contract that showed what a starting firefighter made when i got hired. which 5 yrs later is only 32,000. by the way a garbage man makes more money than a firefighter! Look at the city website. Why am i stupid? Because I have a job that i love and am not overtaken by my work compared to lawyers and doctors and other high paid careers. we have more people on the job that are on the lower end than the topped out end. Blaze are u going to man up with your real name since you know soooo much about these things, maybe we should chat and you can tell me all about the good ole days when you were the perfect employee.
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Posted by ( JHMcLovin ) on December 18, 2007 at 7:08 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
by the way blaze. what was your title at retirement? Will you say that, or still scared. I'm glad you are retired, this department is better off, I'm just embarrassed that you are associated with TFR.
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Posted by ( tired_of_ignorance ) on December 18, 2007 at 9:57 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Damn CaptRuss, you have to much time on your hands to be worrying about stuff like this. What do you have against firemen? Please tell, cause you sound like an ass.
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Posted by ( blaze1 ) on December 18, 2007 at 11:32 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I've got more of a pension than you guys are making with OT added in it. You're a public servant, remember that. Quit riding the backs of the 9/11 firefighters. Tampa's got a bunch of whining firefighters. At least HCFR has discipline, you guys got nothing. Get a life!!
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Posted by ( 66nova ) on December 19, 2007 at 12:29 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
i think blaze and capt russ should get a room. wow thats great blaze you should be proud, and with all that money you still worry about the fire dept. what a loser this guy is. both hcfr and tfr have there strong points. thank god tampa doesnt have anything like 9/11. if you were half a fireman you would understand what brotherhood is all about. Instead of bashing why dont you help if were so bad off. what your doing doesnt help. plus your just making your self look bad.
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Posted by ( CaptainRuss ) on December 19, 2007 at 9:43 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Question for you ignorance...what is it in ANY of my earlier posts that would suggest to you that i have any beef with the dept? I urge you to reread my posts fully and you will see that I am pro F/F, BUT anti-slime. I understand your desire to defend your brothers, BUT wrong is wrong- You should direct your influence and ire toward those within who have sullied your good name, ESPECIALLY during this day in time, while you are fighting for a more deserving contract. Enough name calling from me-- Lastly DO NOT categorize blaze1 and I in the same breath- he obviously has a serious grudge against, NOT JUST these INSPECTORS, but the dept as a whole-I can't speak FOR him, but my problem rests soley w/ these inspectors' transgressions. If you decide to attack me further, then i will not be lured into a fool's argument. By the way- 66nova-grow up, being a FF is an honorable profession for men/women of honor, pride & valor- please be all of these things and stop with the childish "get a room" takes.Sic Semper Tyrannis
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Posted by ( JHMcLovin ) on December 19, 2007 at 10:47 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Well, Blaze1 good for you. I'm glad that this great Fire Dept has supplied you with that pension. I see how you appreciate it by all the kind words you are expressing on here about your fellow firefighters. keep it up. I see you still won't identify yourself, figures that cowards never do. Oh, and since when are you an HCFR expert also?
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Posted by ( 66nova ) on December 19, 2007 at 12:39 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
CaptRuss you are right about the name calling, but i did not cast the first stone. i just dont like like when fellow brothers are slanderd. yes they may have done wrong, but to call then names is wrong as well. we are not in there shoes.
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Posted by ( voxpopuli ) on December 19, 2007 at 12:53 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Hey CaptainRuss, the day it becomes YOUR place to tell me what to put in MY mouth will never come.BUT, darlin.... THANKS FOR THE EVIDENCE THAT ALL YOU SCUMBAGS ARE WELL AWARE OF MY BLOG AND IT's LUNATIC RANTINGS.
THAT WILL BE GREAT INFORMATION FOR MY RICO ATTORNEY.
HOW MANLY.
LOL !!!!How is it that you feel like MEN climbing in a firetruck and personal vehicles stalking A WOMAN AND CHILDREN AND HER FAMILY OVER PROPERTY???
OH, and has YOUR tag # made it to my blog, yet? It's SO GOOD that you guys are stupid. It's very very helpful.
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Thank you, blaze1. You are an awesome individual.
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