Almost forgot to thank you

Thursday: that's three grand for your thug david who smells some better (i think) but walked into my space again.


Saturday ... five grand.


It was very poor sportsmanship.


And reallly reallllllllyyyyy bad acting.


And that whole concerned father thing made it double.

yer an asshole w/no balls.

Just wait until I finish up.

What you have: will crumble like dry shit.

So keep being nasty and cheating your way.


It shows. You guys go around patting each other on the back, you're assholes and each generation is getting weaker. Unlike us.

We just get better, smarter and richer.


Plus, when we look at our hands they are not covered with blood and shit.


Like yours.


And thanks for your money. Ima probably use a lot of it to roast wienies on my weber grill.

Just wait for it.

It will be WORTH IT.


For me, anyway.


And, thanks for david. Such a clever way for you to enrich me.

Pieces of shit with duffles of money for me.

GOTTA LOVE THAT !!!

One day Ima stick around and listen to that lesson.

LMFAO !~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I noticed the firepigs remembered to make their run while he was there... they were REALLY Getting lax considering they had an asshole in place.


WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU SHORT MEAN PEOPLE???

WHY ARE YOU SUCH LOSERS?????????????????????????????????????????????????

N57 8IR

Scumbag fireman sticker piece of shit who applied some toxins to my car while I was in (ASHAMED TO SAY) walmart on n dalemabry last night.
Another four foot nine specimen who headed straight to the costume dept where I was before I got in line and then followed me out and was parked right across from me and got there just in time to see me getting a pic of his car and plate. SCUM. So when I got in the car it was nasty and hard to breathe. SCUM. MURDERER.
These N cars, some P cars (or all) and some X (which have pretty much disappeared from my horizon) are dealer tags. My feeling is they trace back to a few places: Something to do with Jose Gonzalez, JR of wesley chapel and his wife as that nasty mess comprises his tenant situation and his current scumm gangster in residence Christopher Carr Saavedra .... and Baptiste Auto Sales (stripper tats and whores climb out of those) and a few other auto dealers (Kuhn) and related services. It would be easy to obtain a list of those tags or inquire who the numerous ones that follow us trace back to.

Incidentally, boxers ... isn't silver hill a TRIFLE close to dawnview?? Makes me think marissa and what's his name are more of your scum. AS IF I hadn't figured that out. I make you this promise; YOU MOTHERFUCKERS will rue the day you started fucking with him.

Angela: I never had to hijack someone else's friends for my own family. LOL. You guys fail to note the difference between us. You're nasty assholes and no one WANTS to be around you. We're not and you can't get enough of us.

Partly for your old man's boss the RV MILLIONAIRE, right??

He thinks he can intimidate my family into giving him our key to the kingdom.

He'll die trying.

And you might, too.

You're looking mighty peaked and angry these days.

VERY VERY BAD FOR YOUR HEART.

LMFAO.

Enjoy your last days fucking with us.
You lost. DEAL WID IT.
Oh, by the way .. fucking idiots. Do you NOT see how well that works out for me if he doesn't go?? LMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you motherfuckers GET any stupider you're going to need goddamn velcro shoes.

YOu don't seem to be able to get off your dicks long enough to think things through.

And, now I'm pissed because you are pos cheaters as usual.

Does it EVER feel like shit (I know it does) when you look in the mirror and recall these words; EVERYTHING I HAVE (DON'T FORGET A WORD: THINK IT EACH TIME YOU LOOK AT YOURSELF)

EVERYTHING I HAVE I HAVE BECAUSE I CHEATED> EVERYTHING MY CHILD HAS OR "EARNS" HE HAS BECAUSE I FUCKED SOMEONE ELSE OUT OF IT BY CHEATING> EVERYTHING MY CHILD IS HE OWES TO A PERSON WHO IS NOT A PIECE OF SHIT AS I AM.


Please remember that every time you look at yourself.

What fucking losers.

It doesn't make me feel bad. It used to make me feel bad and sad FOR YOU because it's such a lack of humanity and I am so fiercely HUMAN. But now I barely nod my head. I realized finally that under your wretched skin: you are shit. And you seem to like it.

My interest in you is about what I have in any piece of shit: eyyyewww get that OUT OF HERE.

And so, carry on ... while you're busy I'm always counting the ways it works for me you lame ass fuckheads. LMAO

Dear Sheriff Gee

I don't give a FUCK who your friends are.

AS IF I hadn't figured THAT out.

WITH YOUR FUCKING REGIONALISM THIEVERY AND INTIMIDATION.

Did you forget all the video I have of your ass's fucked up corrupt deputy trying to run my family off the interstate with the dumptruck??

And the others?

DID YOU FORGET??

Because it's still here.

And so is the rest of it.


So, fuck off and STOP MAILING SHIT TO ME YOU CORRUPT PIECE OF SHIT.

How's Richard Scott Rodriguez>>

How's your boy, baptiste???/

How's all that homeland security stalking doing/?

Go fuck yourself.

You're DONE STEALING FROM MY FAMILY.

You and the other fucking thugs.

new idiot and new stalkers and mr h-lim

awww. I shoulda put all the pics of your crap up here, too but it's okay .. I have a better place for that. mwah.


New stalkers and new firepigs on the interstate today ... pasco(S) so you know what that means... wow, the word is out. Good. Stuff it up your ass. Reputations my ass.

Can't ruin what ya ain't got. In order to ruin something it would have to be proven that you HAD ONE. LOL.

Anyway .. Mr. blowjob man (h-lim) ... it's open season on your flaws.

I won't let go til it bleeds.....

Car and toxins in yard worse than ever .... and so this is mr. h-lim's and the firepigs way of training use like pavlov's dog not to talk. that must be some good fuckin' dope baby cause it always has THE EXACT OPPOSITE EFFECT you must have a bad bad memory, losers.

Any old way ... moving forward .. expect anything peaceful and intelligent and revealing and journlistic to come your sleezy ass way.

What a piece of shit.

Tampa FirePigs izz angry

First realize this picture (of thousands of same since 2004 or 2005 when they pulled up next to myself and family in my car and sat there at a red light stockstill with no traffic either way with their siren on full blast JUST SAT THERE next to us .. creepy fuckers)is one of THOUSANDS.

( In hindsight I realized other things had occurred with them which I overlooked or paid no attention to as I have a life of my own.)

Stupid bastards make me sick.

SO, this means that FOR AT LEAST FIVE YEARS, these pieces of shit ABSOLUTE SHIT have been tracking my every movement, following me, dogging me online, dogging my family, endangering us as we drive or walk, having other people help them and no matter that ALL THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS KNOW ABOUT IT which means that every judge and lawyer in Tampa knows about it (as they all played little league ball together west/bayshore tampa) which means that THOUSANDS of people are letting these lowlifes get by with it when the proof is so easy to obtain. THEY DO NOT WANT THE PROOF. They want to steal our home. (funny how Michael Keller denies that when back in 2004 his thug ass made more than one offer for it ... FUCK YOU FAGGOT)

Anyway ... so they laid in wait tonight and with no regard to anyone's safety they drove down one block and missed us so passed up to the next one so they could do this:


What a bunch of bleeding ass pussies. So worried about fucking with us and defending Mr. Sokol and their buddy Faedo who no doubt was instrumental in letting gangsters like Claudio off the hook many times and no-filing pieces of shit like Tome and getting Gonzalez EIGHTEEN MONTHS PROBATION that they displayed no regard for anything but stalking us. Literally THOUSANDS of times by now.

And it's gotten them nowhere.

So, like we give a fuck about the collateral damage of someone getting hurt feelings.

If it bothers you that they are pigs or talked about than have them stop being pigs and put them in prison.

It's NOT just Tampa. It's D.C. and many other states across the US as we have driven.

So, when it's all on youtube: enjoy.

Tom Forward, I'm pretty sure your mason ass will have some responsibility for allowing this to continue along with Nesmith if he hasn't shot his wife by the time I get around to letting the movie be made we'll sue his ass too.

The implications of them doing this so often detail a range of stalking ability and activity along with participation of others in order to constantly pinpoint the exact location of a car. Either that or as I suspect there is a GPS locator on our new car, too. FIRE FOLKS ARE NOT LEO. So if someone has been tracking my movements for over 20 years (first possible but not positive indication of GPS being placed on vehicle Tom D'iauto) and none of us have been charged with a crime .. the illegality of the FIREMEN having access to that information is profound. So stick it.

Keller Hansen Sokol and Faedo

Well when you get done asking nervous nellie keller about Hansen be sure to ask Bill about Bill Faedo. (state's attorney's office) DO be sure to ask.

And then ask Bill about his connection to Marlene Sokol, puff piece "journalist" for the st pete times and how marlene CAN'T quite make the connection to him being a gangster and the crap she wrote about in the Carrollwood neighborhood being the same crap he is pulling on waters ave and the area that surrounds his dump.

Screw y'all. And thank boxers for hammering in the last fucking nail.

And ya still keep up the same stupid shit.

Ivette, while you must feel you are very clever thinking up new excuses to run out the door ... here's the deal: If they start going out the door 150 times a day your cunt ass would soon see HOW YOUR LIFE REVOLVES AROUND SOMEONE ELSE'S. YOu are a no good piece of shit.

They're selling Jose's dump Thursday .... LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You guys like the idea of sweating people, right?

Awesome.

Enjoy.

Ask Billy about our long-term relationship and it's many interesting twists and turns and THEN ask Billy dear about his one connection to Margaret Lange and whatever happened to his two old, bestest friends.

I miss them both.

UH OH... wow, I have to do some more research. Seema lil Mr. Billy had his investigator ship with the State Attorney's Office revoked by Master Mark Ober. Totally interesting.

BUT, BILLY: HOW MANY LIVES RUINED FIRST?????? HOW MANY?? OH MY GOD >> HOW MANY OF PEOPLE I KNOW??? Saying something there about 1993 but you know I seem to remember something before that. Yup. LOL. Interesting. I tucked it away for future reference and future has arrived. You and earl, huh? hmmm. MOST interesting.

And, Mr. Sokol as soon as I found your in-commonness with mr. faedo you up and tried to do away with it. Wow. Luckily I kept all of that. mwah. Like the newspapers. Mwah. Things ain't looking good for you, baby.

I told you. I told you. I told you.

Anyway ... this bears investigating but we here iz bizzy. So scurry and try to hide as much as you can. It's that much more fun to find it ....

I really don't think renee was ready to die and leave his son behind. I really don't.

SUCH A NICE MAN and you such a PIECE OF SHIT.

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Wikileaks Documents Prove Torture,Abuse and Criminal Acts Were Systematic
AND ROBERT O'NEILL IS A STALKER,OBAMA !!! And you anointed him. And hey, he's a lazy m'fer too. No O'Neill shirts since bobby slithered into his throne. WATCH OUT MIDDLE DISTRICT ~~~


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Hey Ivette..

Why do you run out the front door every time that child molester's phone rings???

It's fair funny to me that it rings whenever I or mine walk out the front door and I'm sure his probation officer will be interested, huh?

Or is it YOU calling him? Because you're the little watching cunt? I guess.

Any way and then the whole neighborhood inclucing lost bar card fat andy's slut grace has to take a troll. It's funny.

Someone (keller, you got all that crack cash) buy ellen some new pants, please. For God's sake.

Ivette, you're what? Two, maybe three kids in ??? Wow. What a fine example you are. You're so fucking awesome. Ima send you a Mother's Day card next. I think you should be reminded EVERY day what a for shit mother you are.

Morals of a fucking alley cat. Same as Conley.

For any decent firemen and women

For the record, I've said MANY MANY times that nothing I say included anyone who is a decent, working human being doing what they came here to earth to do: love one another and leave the world a better place.

However, if you were that decent you'd root out the (sorry to say) majority of scumbags among you and stop allowing them to do what they do.

I won't apologize because I feel NO GUILT for some scumbags attempting to victimize my family and then finally running into me. The MINUTE I, as an American citizen, SPOKE UP .. something should have been done.

It so was: MOST OF YOU helped the bastards.

So, you can dish it out but you can't take it.

If even ONE of you were me or anyone of us you'd have been screaming like girls.

I told you years back: I"m NOT GIVING YOU my house. I AM NOT BACKING DOWN TO YOU.

I WILL HAVE JUSTICE FOR MY FAMILY INCLUDING THE DEAD ONES.

And, for the record, there's still the weregeld.

How's that captain rusty pants?? (he knows who he is)

You got the swagger.

Your fucking ass has known about this FOR YEARS>

You're such a manly man.

What goes around comes around.

You'll see.

Dear Mr. H-Lim

I fear I digress. Today will be 5 grand and I purposely walked through that shit at least 12 times today so that I now have a license to say anything the fuck I please. And drag you and your skanks all through it. I find you pathetic. Not a bad-looking guy but your taste in cars, women and liifestyle is for SHIT. Too bad.

You and that other little Puerto Rican pussy (god love the decent puerto ricans come snatch these nappy bitches up and show them how to be men and women)... might be interested in this case moving through the Supreme Court just now.
UPDATE: I forgot the link.. I'm in a bit of a hurry. Unlike you .. my life only revolves around doing what I'm here for not fucking with people and trying to poison them as you do. H-LIM and peterface, you might want to take note of the fact that the woman who was on the receiving end was NOT EVEN HURT. That's not the case with my family. WE have damages ... so there ya have it. You're fucked. Six years times HUNDREDS OF COUNTS!!! You guys feel pretty confident but that's cause you have bad information. AND, listen up: She was spraying toxins (JUST LIKE YOU) on the other woman's doorknobs, fence, car handles, engine (HEY JUST LIKE YOU) so .. it's not some big mystery now .. it's IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE LAND. (maybe you should talk to your son now about doing your time for you asshole)

It's not the Federal issue you're after ... and since I really wonder about your reading and comprehension ability I'll kinda spell it out .. the cunt got SIX YEARS SIX YEARS for tampering with mail (how many times do I have Don on video doing that?? LOL and still have the mail) and guess what/ All the newspapers you fucked with .. and guess what?? Still have them .. and some other stuff and such we'll just leave to the qt right now .... I don't know how many hundreds of shots and video of you complete fucktwits tampering with vehicle, animals and air ... so that spells ATTEMPTED MURDER. She got six years FOR ONE COUNT of applying toxins and tampering with mail. ONE COUNT. What would TWO HUNDRED COUNTS BRING?? LMAO !! It's double life

Will you have your son do it for you again??

So ... I can only imagine what you stupid ass motherfuckers will be on the hook for ...you realize that is the other element of the RICO, correct?? Yup. And w/ Mr. Keller (LOL ON THAT CONDO SHIT THANKS BOXERS YOU IZ BITCHIN !!!!)

Boxers iz bitchin.

Thanks, bro.

And, as an added enhancement you've done fucked wid justisssss.

Anyway, GOD knows what I'll decide to talk about next.

But, you earned it ...

Why do you think I was smiling???

I'm not a dumb cunt like you.

I like free licenses to gab on and on and on ... so many deal-breakers.

You gotta be so stupid.

You know I'm pissed and you just know how much being stupid pisses me off.

So I'm like double pissed. I hate stupid.

You colored my world with stupid

And you can tell your stupid friend Chrissy ummmm that she's so fucking up. I don't even have the heart to cuss her goddamn dumbass out anymore.

Laters ...

I'm kinda busy right now but I'll come across something soonest.

Meantime .. keep packin the crack and stealin shit.

You goin need the cheddar.....

Seein as fat ass lost his bar card ...OUCHIE

Dear Fireman Fan

Here's the comment that blogger disappeared. Ask Spence .. his scummy relatives and brother men down there stalk me around online and in person until one day one of them will be up my ass if I stop suddenly.

So, Spence here it is in better glory; Stick it up your fat fucking murdering arson'ing ass.


this comment went before that one but somehow disappeared after it posted.(got it in email to prove it posted and then disappeared and is now being posted a second time)bloggin from the station, huh?? Sure and all you thieving losers and murderers know about this and how you're going to end up suffering over what some of you did to my family while others covered it up. Yep. I'm the lunatic with proof and a dead (murdered)sister and mother with some fatass fireman's goddamn sex offender (bopped kids boys and girls) living in my dead sister's home after spence aka fatass pig roberts helped burn it down just as he did another in my family and another of his scum buddies did back in the 80s when I was a child. So you tell me who is the loser. A motherfucker like YOU who would stick up for a fat murdering pig and his fucked kids family or ME?? I have known who you are since the spt article. Glad you have nothing to do on a friday night but ME. Again, who is the loser?? I'm not thinking about you but here you are all up in what excites you. In your dreams. So you stand up for a fat murdering pig becaue he's your 'fire brother' ... just like the scumbag at the fire marshal's office here tried to get the evidence so he could NEGATE IT and then stalked me over to international mall trying to intimidate me. Fuck him, fuck fat ass murdering spence and his crack dealing, child-fucking family and if you defend him because he managed to get his GED ass a job as a firepig then fuck you too, buddy. I noticed you guys have another loser drove through five yards with the firetruck. Property grabbing like spencey?? If you defend him, you're no better than him. So enjoy the company of a murderer. Remind his fat, ugly ass that the statute of limitations NEVER expires on that. Do your hobbies also include arson and murder and stalking?? If not then wow what a wonderful person you are. And if so.. you're in good company. Take it easy. Sticks and stones and alla that. I didn't murder anyone and I don't mind telling the world what those fuckfaces are up to. AND I will prove it. Ask Spence. He's about to shit his pants ... ask him about his meth dealing scumbag family and his on felony probation guntoting nephew for trafficking cocaine and ask him about his prostitute sister inlaw. He's a fine representative of the fire dept. Typical you might say.Laters ....

And, if you're not in party with these losers then you should stand up and tell the truth about them.

Or wait til someone you know gets someone they love murdered.

It's NOT just MY family.....

And if none of this applies to you ... enjoy your life. But be aware of what you are around. I've had plenty of those pascoboyz following me and my family around, as well. Got the pics and vid to prove it.

Soon enough it's all going to hit the fan, property grabs, murders and all and then spencey will be going to fatass prison ....

Do they have a prison for fatasses??

He should take his mother and his thieving scumbag sister along with him.

Ask his sister about the murder of that guy out on school road.

She knows plenty about it.

Gang hit.

Todd something or other .... (google it)

Her kid tried to call me a rat after I knew him since he was a little boy and never bothered him or even really knew him in any way other than to ignore him .. ... yeah.. what a loser.

And then his fat stupid ass got busted. Only huh ... it was because he's STOOPID and spent more time fucking with my family and trying to scare us and follow us around and flattening my tires and snotting on my car and ignored his dope deals. I still wonder and will find out if it was mike roberts who busted him and then got murdered for it..>> BUT I more think it was roberts being on the hit and run squad that got him murdered. All those fuckers are into faking accidents and running people over.

And let off the hook, in my opinion.

He should be in prison.


Spence should be in prison.

Spence WILL be in prison.

Statute of limitation for murder: NEVER OVER SPENCEY FAT ASS.

Sheriff Gee and Pam and Jane

Maybe you could get your deputies off the computer looking for pretty gang colors and actually have them do some work getting the gangers in jail. You, as sheriff, could surely figure out how to pass a law to make it ILLEGAL to join a gang even though I think that would decimate half your deputies' gang memberships... but this cop ... wow, he knows his stuff.

Imagine that Ivette, you and your creepy little family intimidate others and other children.

NO WAY.

I thought it was all cool since your picture disappeared off the sheriff's website.

Huh. Is that your kid's shoes over the telephone wire??

Why does every cop in american and mexico seem to know that's a gang sign BESIDES GEE AND JANE???

Pam .. now she LOVES gangs. They have been very profitable for her.

Mr. Boxers Gonzalez

update: MY BAD: it was someone else's home he lived in. Nonetheless you found him and brought him without so much as a background check. It's so odd that someone would strip a meth house as you did and then put all that money in it... show up with your blower like every time my family steps outside follow us down the interstate and then rent solely to scum. Don't you KNOW anyone who is not scum? Never mind. I know the answer to that... lolss BUT .. there is this endangerment thing you moving bad bad people around others and their property. Why so many mechanics, Mr. Boxers? You got a little thing for me? LOLSSS

I just wondered if like Mr. Tome-gay, your cousin?? You are playing how many thugs can I cram in one crackhouse??

Because "intentional infliction of emotional distress" comes to mind.

And you've done it all, you know.... the stalking and the property damage and etc. I feel sorry for you is why I don't bother with you just for the record.

I notice the sheriff wannabe who was protecting your crackhouses skedaddled and now HIS house is openly a crackhouse. LOL. it's awesome.

I am running the world from this blog.

Because Sheriff Gee did not like the idea that one of his Merry Men was outed as guarding crackhouses. I sense he did not go too far away.

Anyway ... keep it stiff, sugar.

I've got some surprises for ya comin up.

As you may surmise.

Gonna have to buy yourself some more cops.

How is 700??

He's still covering for Ivette, I know.

And covering up Tome-gay's insurance fraud.

SUWEET !!!

And now we got jerry. Not dupree.

Are all y'all closet assholes/?

My guess is: no.

You're pretty upfront about it.

But you'll have to fuck off for now.

BUT WAIT> It appears he made a prior appearance at your prior dump. hmmmm. is this a relationship I SMELL??? Might be good to have a talk with your old neighbors since in that case you were the swine who lived nearby.

Wow. Ouchie I see some problems ahead for you.



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So does obama REALLY want to be re-elected??

If he did....

we would not be in two wars.

he would not be kissing up to kendrick meek

he would carry out the agenda with which the democrats put him into office HAVING FAITH that he would carry out.

He would have repealed the patriot act.

RIGHT NOW he could change the tide and get women on his side with four simple words:

THESE WARS ARE OVER

END THE WARS OBAMA

April Griffin Fat Lying THUG

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bohemianh wrote:
How in the hell is this even a story? Hey Times do us a favor and give us real news, like how China is dumping US Treasuries and how that will cause our dollar to collapse. That's the kind of sh*t your readers need to read about!
Oct 19, 2010 7:40 PM
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Joe Joe wrote:
there is nothing wrong with this. She is just an aspiring politician learning how to work the system. OMG and LMAO
Oct 19, 2010 7:42 PM
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SunnyCollie wrote:
Just looked up "misspoke" in the Webster's Bullspit Dictionary". Definition is "lied through my crooked teeth in an effort to deceive voters".
Oct 19, 2010 7:49 PM
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tampaguytoo wrote:
Bohemianh - this is a story because the broad lied about her education and shes on the School Board. What makes you think the morons that make up the vast majority of our society care about China owning our A$$.
Oct 19, 2010 7:55 PM
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geoteacher wrote:
This is beyond me. She is controlling billions of your tax dollars and many of you could care less. She lied! She is telling students who believe in her it is okay to lie! She is deceiving the electorate. While nothing new it is astounding a person who wants to lead teachers who work for children would do such a thing. Does she have the decency to withdraw from the race? She has shown her true colors. Tell me, anyone out there can you believe anything she says from now on? I hope not! Vote her out of office.
Oct 19, 2010 7:57 PM
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SocialJustice wrote:
Next time you think the TEACHERS are the problem in public education -- just remember that one of the INCUMBENT candidates for the county school board couldn't find the time to finish her A.A.!
Oct 19, 2010 7:58 PM
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menckenjr wrote:
You can always tell when the human side of an elected official comes out.. there are all kinds of keyboard monkeys ready to throw their feces because that's all they have. geoteacher especially sounds like Glenn Beck winding himself up to throw a public hissy fit to keep his ratings up.. or maybe just doing their best to try and quit being irrelevant. As for SocialJustice, I'd rather have her on the job keeping the Superintendent on her toes and finding enough money so Hillsborough doesn't have to lay off teachers to meet a budget.
In other words, money talks and BS walks... or in this case, types. A lot.
Oct 19, 2010 8:14 PM
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elainec wrote:
Misspoke? Hahahahaaaaaa. Liar.
Oct 19, 2010 8:18 PM
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Mr. S wrote:
So both of these candidates for the school board are either incapable of getting a college degree or don't value education enough to actually earn one. Fantastic.
Too bad teachers - you know, the people who have the most training about how kids learn and some actual experience in the classroom - have such little voice in educational policy. Only problem is, the uneducated school board and, especially, the appallingly ignorant Florida legislature and state department of education keep them drowning in paperwork and test-prep and threatening to tie their jobs to a FCAT crapshoot so they keep their mouths shut.
Oct 19, 2010 8:18 PM
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tampaguytoo wrote:
I'm sorry, I guess she has done the best she can with what she has, but why in the hell is someone with a GED on the Public School Board???
Oct 19, 2010 8:24 PM
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tampaguytoo wrote:
Oh I just figured it out. She's a future Presidential candidate for the tea party. Yep that's it I understand it all now.
Oct 19, 2010 8:27 PM
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menckenjr wrote:
elainec, make sure you pick up the trash in your own yard before you start pointing out how messy somebody else's is. And Mr. S, would you rather she be on the job finding money to keep teachers employed and getting Hillsborough an exemption from losing tenure or have her spread too thin?
And here's something else to think about when you're sipping your latte with a side of bitter... she's the only one on the whole School Board to give the Superintendent the oversight that the rest of them are too co-opted to be able to manage.
Of course, it's also possible that you all are frustrated opponents who can't beat her in a fair election so you're taking potshots from behind your computer and hoping to slide into an office you don't deserve.
Oct 19, 2010 8:27 PM
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elainec wrote:
I think menckenjr and Griffin are well qualified to pick up trash. What are the educational requirements, a GED? I'm still laughing. Imagine a school board incumbent who can't earn an associates degree.
Oct 19, 2010 8:38 PM
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menckenjr wrote:
April is eminently qualified to be on the School Board. She was qualified the first time she ran and won, and she's more qualified now because she's done an excellent job these four years. She's done a better job than some of the members with advanced degrees.
I'm glad you think we're well qualified to pick up trash. *I* certainly have my work cut out with the five or six online personalities that you two or three losing candidates are posting under. As for April, I long ago cut her some slack on this. School Board member is a full time job (and more than full time when you've got an FCAT-happy legislature looking for any excuse to blame teachers for *their* failures), and I'd a lot rather she spend her time watching the District and doing her job. She can get her degree after she wins this election and that's fine by me.
And FYI, I *have* two scientific degrees and April's fine by me. She's doing a great job. and deserves four more years.
Oct 19, 2010 8:58 PM
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menckenjr wrote:
let's see... judging from the writing style I'd guess that karma_bites_u, SocialJustice, and tampaguytoo are all the same person - same sentence structure, same bilious tone, same "gotcha" mentality.
Oct 19, 2010 9:03 PM
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seednfert wrote:
No biggie. I mis-spoke about the size of my ●●●●●●. No biggie.
Oct 19, 2010 10:07 PM
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McBob wrote:
I don't know much about this woman, but I will say that having a degree doesn't always mean much. I went to graduate school with several who weren't the crunchiest chips in the bag.
Oct 19, 2010 10:37 PM
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gman044 wrote:
She is such a fraud...only in Hillsborough County could someone that does not take education seriously at all be on the freaking school board. How did this happen? Oh yeah...the UNIONS back her.
Oct 19, 2010 10:55 PM
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tampaguytoo wrote:
Wrogggggggg, menckenjr you blew that one. All the "scientific degrees" didn't help you there. Sorryyyyyyyyy but "you beez wrong" about who I am or am not and you sure are wrong about the candidate who lied! You see those who try to embllish their credentials don't get ahead.
Oct 19, 2010 11:00 PM
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Maxi50 wrote:
The bottom line is she has been doing a good job. Hopefully she is sufficiently embarrassed by her "misspeak" and will more accurately portray her experience, beliefs and positions. The public is in a very distrusting mood. It would serve all politicians to remember this and give us the credit and respect we deserve. All we have is your word, until the research is done. And there will be background checks.
Oct 19, 2010 11:58 PM
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oldcootpinellas wrote:
So school board members just need a GED or whatever? What kinda system they running?
Oct 20, 2010 12:27 AM
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haridi wrote:
It took me 12 years to get an AA degree after I got a GED. More power to her!
Oct 20, 2010 12:33 AM
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VacantSea wrote:
Vote Sally Harris!
Oct 20, 2010 2:44 AM
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Harrybosch wrote:
Wow. Pile on much, SPT?
Oct 20, 2010 6:28 AM
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jasa9900 wrote:
She "mispoke"? Mis-spoke my @ss. She plain lied and is now blaming others. What a hero to the Hillsborough County School system.
Oct 20, 2010 7:05 AM
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jasa9900 wrote:
She’s the most outspoken member on the school board and does not have a college degree? Ignorance is bliss. I thought that everyone on the board and downtown had a degree of some sort since they oversee those teachers and school administrators who do. We need new board members like Richard Bartells immediately. Get rid of those members who just agree with each other while cobwebs grow under them. Griffin should do the honorable thing and step down immediately. Go back to school, major in education, become a teacher, and really see what it is like on the front lines before trying to become one of downtown’s top dogs.
Oct 20, 2010 7:06 AM
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menckenjr wrote:
tampaguytoo, now you sound like a two-timer losing candidate who got thumped once by April and once by Susan Valdes and has been itching for any revenge he can get. You sound shifty and evasive, you're using some weird dialect and you sound like you had a rage-gasm when you hit the 'y' and 'g' keys on the keyboard because you got caught fielding a bunch of blog sock puppets.
Just about everybody I know puts their foot in their mouth once in a while. April has been a good School Board member and better than some of the ones who do have advanced degrees. I care about having the Superintendent be reminded that the board is her actual boss and not just seven happy friends with rubber stamps waiting to dole out money no matter what her performance is. I especially want someone who doesn't think her role is to "make everyone happy" the way Harris has said before.
Oct 20, 2010 7:16 AM
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menckenjr wrote:
jasa9900, while I agree that Bartels is the better choice between him and White you're way off base on April. And as far as "lied", she's quoted as saying she's "seeking a degree" at HCC. That's not the same thing as "I'm in classes at HCC", and it can mean that she's going to finish her degree there. Before you get too far up on your high horse you might go back and actually read her quote and see what it actually said. I agree, she wasn't as careful about her phrasing and should have said what she told me when I asked her - that being a good board member was more than a full time job and it was more important for her to devote her energies to the students of Hillsborough County than to her own self-improvement. But she's a human being, so there you go.
Oct 20, 2010 7:22 AM
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Reginald48 wrote:
April, I'm on your side... Why in the heck would anyone need a four-year degree in political-science to understand the goings-on in the political realm??? More than likely. over half of the negative comments posted on this website have little or no degrees and don't understand that sometimes common-sense can rule... One doesn't need a higher education to ascertain the difference between right and wrong... Our ancestors did it without formal education, and we turned out fairly well... I am a college graduate (both in Sociology and Psychology) but after all that schooling have recognized that decisions and thoughts from the heart prevail no matter what... Reginald Arno, Danville VA Seraph-48@hotmail.com
Oct 20, 2010 8:04 AM
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Zanne wrote:
She didn't misspeak. She lied! And in this day of computerized records, I would take the word of the school over hers. I applaud her desire to get her degree (it took me 20 yrs.) but she needs to learn that constituents value honesty! Vote her out.
Oct 20, 2010 8:58 AM
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chris64 wrote:
Don't worry April, your district has a high ratio of Marxists to Americans. You'll do fine.
Oct 20, 2010 10:13 AM
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Mr. Concerned wrote:
I really cannot stress nearly enough, just how highly important a good quality education actually is.However, with that being said, I have met quite a few dropouts, whom the majority of people would consider them to be some very highly self educated individuals.That some of our best PhD, would, in fact, not be even able to compete with, when it comes to some real world challenges. Nevertheless, when it then comes to Mrs.April Griffin, I cannot honestly say! That she happens to be one of them. Even so, one, must give one credit where credit is due! Mrs.Griffin was, in fact! Smart enough to get herself elected to one, of only six positions on a public school board. That happens to oversee more than A $3.1 billion annual budget.So, I' would suggest that everyone SHOULD CHEW ON THIS FACT! FOR A GOOD WHILE. Before they think about bubbling in the circle next to just! Anyone named, next time at the polls.
Oct 20, 2010 10:18 AM
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The Captain wrote:
She's on the school board and doesn't have a college degree?!?! Only in floriduh.
Oct 20, 2010 10:24 AM
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Normal Citizen wrote:
Someone wise once said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." The sad part of all this is that we have all become cynics. We never believe it's possible that a good person can make a mistake and still be a good person because we've been disappointed so many times. I weep for what has happened to all of us.
I know April personally. She has done an excellent job for our community. She has worked to ensure that no schools and no jobs had to be cut during this financial crisis. She helped land the Gates grant. She stood up against bullying before doing that was "cool." Am I disappointed that she misspoke? Yes. But I know how easy it is to do, and how few people in the world can say they've never done it. Do I wish she had a college degree? Sure, because then we wouldn't be having this conversation. As it is, she doesn't have one, and I have three of them -- yet she is far and away a better public servant than I would be. Vote April. She is an excellent choice.
Oct 20, 2010 10:36 AM
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Trisha11 wrote:
She could not have thought no one would pick up on this. I am shocked that a college degree is not required of candidates for school boards across the State. No wonder our schools are in such a mess. Her opponent also does not have a college degree. How can they sit in judgement of what teachers and administrators need, if they don't have the right qualifications. This is just shocking.
Oct 20, 2010 10:39 AM
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Why1100 wrote:
To run for school board, or any sort of political office, all you have to be is 18 years old, a registered voter, and not be a convicted felon.
Oct 20, 2010 10:48 AM
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uraFloritard wrote:
Yeah, she just "misspoke". Kinda like Bill Clinton "did not have sex with that woman", he just shot spooter all over her face.
Oct 20, 2010 11:08 AM
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rolltide wrote:
what a loser! no wonder Hills schools are a mess!FloriDUH......first in corruption, last in education.
whatever happened to the other Hills board loser Fallacio or whatever her name was?
Oct 20, 2010 11:48 AM
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ddp1234 wrote:
Since when does a college degree make you an expert? I have a Bachelor's degree, and I do recognize the value of a college education, but Colleges are turning a lot of "educated fools" these days that only have ideas about things buy no real-life experience. Someone without a college degree has no business on a college board, but the Public School System serves ALL families - even kids that aren't going to go to college and parents who may not have a formal degree still have valid ideas and voices when it comes to their children's educations. School-Board Administrators are dripping with degrees and still can't get the job done, except for making sure their paychecks stay fat while teachers have to scrimp for every dime personally and professionally.
Oct 20, 2010 11:52 AM
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Jake Tyler wrote:
Why1100, your knowledge of the requirements to hold public office is lacking. Please google before you spread wrong information. I'm beginning to think that almost anyone interested in public office in our times is a sociopath, the way they are able to lie so easily. It really is downright scary. Another curious thing is how many folks condone it. I guess our education system really is suffering. Also, its curious how many people make claims about how many degrees they hold, but then say how they dont really mean much. Really? So, you spent lots of money and years of your life muddling through something that really doesn't mean much? Why, if you believe you could have simply not gone to college or grad school and be just as well off now without higher education? Comments like those always make me think of racists and bigots saying how "some of their best friends" are black, or gay. Things are what you make of them.
Oct 20, 2010 12:04 PM
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uraFloritard wrote:
ddp1234 - "School-Board Administrators are dripping with degrees..." Really? Maybe I missed something in this article.
As a child I wondered what teachers were talking about when speaking of reading comprehension. While it was never an issue with me I always thought it was pretty straight forward. But the older I got the more I realized just exactly what teachers were talking about. And some people only read into things what they want. Freaky
Oct 20, 2010 12:04 PM
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menckenjr- get your lips out of Griffin's booty cheeks. My goodness, you are a K(iss)A(●●●).
Oct 20, 2010 6:22 PM
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Let's see- I was on active duty and got my A.A. by the time I was discharged. Then, I got my B.A. with a double major while working full time right after that. 20 years later in life, I went back and obtained TWO Master's degrees while teaching full time with a baby/preschooler to raise concurrently.
And Griffin is telling us what a struggle she has? Give me a break, I know many people that did what I did in similar fashion, who finished the educational tasks they set for themselves- without excuses, while otherwise burdened.
Griffin represents the kind of fool we deserve if we re-elect her, when so many others are far more informed and talented.
Oct 20, 2010 7:05 PM
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cedarwood54 - Let's do some math here. Minimum age to into the military is 18. I'm assuming you enlisted, which IIRC is a four year hitch. That means you were 22 when you got out. A double-major BA will take you around three years to complete. If you work full time and can't take the 15 credits a semester required to be a full time student it'll take you five or more but let's go with five. You're now 27 by the time you graduate. Add working 20 years and we have you at age 47.
Oct 20, 2010 8:11 PM
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cedarwood - Now you say you went back and taught full time while raising a baby/preschooler and getting two master's degrees. A full-time teacher routinely has to work 10-hour days to get all of the grading and planning and prep and extra committee stuff done. You can't stay healthy on less then 6 hours sleep a night, and you'll need to eat to avoid dying (and shop and other stuff .. call it two hours a day). So, you have 10 hours teaching and teaching-related activities + 2 hours a day for eating and personal time + 6-8 hours for sleep. We're now up to 20 hours out of your day that you can't spend on school.
All that and you claim you had time to get two master's degrees? I've got a MA and know how much work it is, and I think you're floating bald-faced lies thinking nobody will have the background to call you on it.
Oct 20, 2010 8:13 PM
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FWizard, I would like to take you seriously but to do so would insult your intelligence. (with props to WF Buckley)
Oct 20, 2010 8:14 PM
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menckenjr wrote:
For the record, April has done an excellent job as a School Board member. We elected her to stay on top of the administration and she has. She promised to find solutions and she has. It's due to her work that Hillsborough teachers didn't experience the same layoffs that teachers in other districts did, and she's never been embroiled in a scandal.
I'd rather look at her record in office. You guys can scrounge around in the garbage if you want to trying to find some dirt to throw.
Oct 20, 2010 8:18 PM
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JohnFL10 wrote:
Anyone else think that menckenjr is either Griffin herself or someone related to her? He/she is very supportive!
Oct 20, 2010 8:37 PM
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menckenjr wrote:
Think what you want, but I'm neither. April's got a *lot* of support countywide, and she'll be re-elected handily in November.
Oct 20, 2010 9:22 PM
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JohnFL10 wrote:
Does Susan Valdes have a college degree?
Oct 21, 2010 2:36 AM
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JohnFL10 wrote:
I agree with you, goldberg. Sally is absolutely the best choice for this election because of her experience. She has been working with children for most of her life and actually has business skills. Most of all, though, she wants to be the voice to those who have long been ignored.
Oct 21, 2010 2:38 AM
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April Griffin wrote:
Goldberg,
I am putting my name on this post as I have in the past. My husband and I reported your comment for abuse because you were talking about my child. I signed on for this and put myself out for the public scrutiny and know how ugly and dirty politics can be, but to speak or 'mis-speak' about my family is unacceptable to me.
April Griffin
Oct 21, 2010 9:06 AM
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goldberg wrote:
Sally Harris is the best option for District 6. She works with children on a daily basis as the owner of Circle C Ranch in South Tampa. She worked as an Occupational Therapist for many years. Her character is what we need in office. Not someone who frequently "mis-speaks" which is just politician-talk for lying.
Oct 21, 2010 11:04 AM
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cedarwood54 wrote:
Menckenjr: Thanks for the age compliment, but you do no justice to those of us who actually can calculate. For your information, I took 3 classes a week at night and also on Saturdays to get my two M.A.'s between 95 and 2001. I started back to grad school at age 41, wise guy, and not only busted my butt but also paid the full tuition myself, as my GI Bill money was used us in the late 1970s. Unless USF is handing out degrees like Halloween candy these days, the refutation to your assertation that I lied in my post is proudly displayed on my home office wall in two identical frames. And by the way, my little 7 yr old girl was mighty proud of her dad when I walked across the stage in April 2001 to receive my second master's, so....bite it!
Oct 21, 2010 7:03 PM
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cedarwood54 wrote:
By the way, Menckenjr- that was non-stop fall-spring and summer terms, no vacations, no interruptions. Today, I am still a teacher and thankful that my health has been good enough to have accomplished what I did, when I did it. It also sets a model of accomplishment for my students, my nephews and nieces, as well as my most important client, my daughter! So...bite it, one more time!
Oct 21, 2010 7:07 PM
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goldberg wrote:
As you can see by April's comments above, one of my previous posts was removed because she didn't want everyone to know the truth. I will rephrase it so it is hopefully not removed again.
April's own children participate in Florida Virtual Schools. For those who don't know what this is... Students in Florida Virtual Schools only report to campus for FCAT Testing, and extra curricular activities (optional). They do all coursework online.
Is it just me or does this seem to be wrong for someone that is on the school board? Our normal public schools aren't "good" enough for their own children? It is ridiculous to have someone like that in office.
Oct 21, 2010 9:10 PM
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cedarwood54 - No, USF isn't handing out degrees like Halloween Candy. One of the things I learned was how to challenge someone's assertions and get them to come out with a bit more data to support what they're saying. In that spirit... you said you went back to grad school at 41. Subtract the 20 years you said elapsed between getting your BA and entering grad school and you're 21. Subtract 2-3 years for your double-major BA (which assumes you're going full time, but let's go with it) and you're at 18 years old and (according to you) leaving the military with an AA degree. If, as you said, you were working full time and going part time while getting a double-major degree it's more like five years and you're 15-16 years old and getting out of the military.
I can only go with the numbers you quoted us in your posts; if you have numbers that add up I'm happy to revise my calculations. As for biting it, thanks but no thanks. I'm trying to cut down. ;-)
Oct 21, 2010 10:06 PM
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menckenjr wrote:
JohnFL sounds like Sally Harris's husband, whose name (I believe) is John.
goldberg is doing his/her best to try and stoke resentment and doing a lousy job. FVS is a public school, by the way, and open to any student in the school system. So, bad operative - no donut.
Oct 21, 2010 10:09 PM
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jhall427 wrote:
Let's quit mincing words people of the media and all of you politicians. The use of "misspoke" is clearly wrong and morally incorrect when the person has obviously lied and is nothing more than an effort to be evasive. Such people should not hold public office in any capacity as they are practitioners of deception and are very poor examples of those supposedly providing paid public service!
I wonder what the School District of Hillsborough County and it's Board if and when it found out that an employee, instructional or non-instructional type, had "misspoke" (lied) about their educational credentials and accomplishments. My guess is that the employee would be dismissed for cause with prejudice! Were Ms. Griffin a person of honor, respect and good moral character, she never would have "misspoke"! Failing in that, as she has, she should withdraw from the race, offer a public apology to the people and offer to pay restitution for past compensation she has received. Otherwise, appropriate
Oct 22, 2010 5:00 AM
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goldberg wrote:
I understand that FVS is a public school, but the program doesn't make kids keep up with their studies. They can wait until the final week and then try and do an entire semester's work and "chritmas tree" multiple choice tests in order to pass.
We already know April lied about pursuing a college degree and she also lied about being a successful business owner since her business went into bankruptcy. And she didn't just "misspeak" once. These lies have been repeated.
She has also accepted donations from Ralph Hughes and his family. Yes - the same Ralph Hughes that gave $500,000 to Jim Norman so his wife could buy a house in Arkansas. She even wrote an article defending him. Google her name and Ralph Hughes if you don't believe me.
Oct 22, 2010 8:10 AM
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chris64 wrote:
April is a liberal and a fraud (but I repeat myself).
Oct 22, 2010 9:33 AM
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Merril Nelson wrote:
menckenjr is April Griffin, she also posts as SDHC Watcher. Be glad she doesn't know where you live. She will call crime stoppers on you and make up a lie to cause you trouble. She is a very ugly person!
Oct 22, 2010 10:48 AM
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pambondiskatrinadog wrote:
April YOU LIED. I KNEW she was menckenjr. I also know she is as merril Nelson stated. She is also ugly physically. Now she is lying about her mother and blaming someone else. Great example. As well, she calls in to question educational records. HCC has kept records on me for over ten years. FLAWLESS. FLAWLESS. But April's OWN record is filled with lies and deceit and FAT. When I commented about her one other time she sent her little griffin family out to drive around me on the highway. She's a THUG.
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"Be prepared to be Ms. or Mr. Unpopular," the outgoing chancellor of Washington, D.C., public schools told an audience of urban school administrators here Thursday. "I am really good at this one right now."
Three years ago, Rhee launched a whirlwind of change: a tough evaluation system and teacher contract that resulted in 241 firings this spring, and ultimately may oust 25 percent of the district's teachers from their jobs. Those forces led to her resignation last week, following the election defeat of her boss, Mayor Adrian Fenty. But they brought applause from her audience at the Council of Great City Schools conference.
On another panel in the adjoining room, Hillsborough County superintendent MaryEllen Elia was describing a kinder, gentler strategy to reach what is rapidly becoming a national goal: boosting teacher quality and winnowing out those who can't make the grade.
"We're coming from a different approach on the same issue," said Elia, adding that she "absolutely" opposed the tone Rhee has used in talking about struggling teachers.
Elia said her district's seven-year, $202 million reform effort with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation puts more emphasis on mentoring and collaboration to help low-performing teachers.
"Working together is what is going to bring results," she told U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan during his visit to the district last week. "We are going to feel stressed as we go through change, and we're going to work through it."
Hillsborough's reforms share many elements with those in Rhee's district: a new evaluation system, stiffer tenure standards, and a value-added system that ties teacher pay to student test scores.
The district has told the Gates Foundation it might need to fire up to 5 percent or 425 of its 8,500 tenured teachers annually in the first years of the reforms, though officials say they hope intensive support for teachers will reduce that number substantially.
Still, Elia told Duncan, teachers who can't improve will be shown the door.
"They're either going to leave or we're going to say, 'Let us help you leave,' " she said.
Rhee's district might be unique in another way: some of the nation's worst test scores.
She said just 8 percent of eighth-graders in Washington were scoring at grade level in mathematics when she arrived in 2007. But 95 percent of teachers were rated as excellent.
"How can you possibly have a system where all of the adults are running around thinking that they're doing a great job for kids, and what we're producing is 8 percent success?" she asked. "That's a recipe for failure, in my opinion."
Rhee won dramatic changes. Now every teacher gets observed five times by principals or trained master teachers.
"Four of those are unannounced, not the dog-and-pony show," she added, referring to the widespread practice of allowing teachers to prepare for the day they'll be evaluated.
Teachers who receive an "ineffective" rating can be fired outright, while those who are "minimally effective" — 750 last year — get one year to improve.
Administrators are under the gun in Washington, too; 66 percent have been dismissed.
"I had to fire the principal of my kid's school. That did not go over so well," Rhee said. "But you can't take on a high-quality evaluation system if you have weak administrators."
Panelists from Miami-Dade County, Atlanta, Baltimore and Philadelphia shared tales of standards raised and contracts won, though few talked quite so tough.
"Those are the very same provisions that we negotiated," said Barbara Byrd-Bennett, chief academic officer of Detroit public schools.
"But we did it in a collaborative fashion, as opposed to Michelle Rhee's Gestapo style," added her union president, Keith Johnson.
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Maxi50 wrote:
"We're coming from a different approach on the same issue," said Elia, adding that she "absolutely" opposed the tone Rhee has used in talking about struggling teachers.
As long as the powers that be continue those same failed approaches they do year after miserable year Florida students will continue to fail, teachers and parents will continue to take the blame and administrators will continue to make excuses. It should be glaringly obvious to administrators that drastic change is needed. You know, unlike the definition of insanity. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Oct 21, 2010 11:27 PM
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Dave in St Pete wrote:
Gov. Christie has already hired her from what I read. Good move on his part.
Oct 22, 2010 1:01 AM
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truthsayer wrote:
Rhee-form and pseudo-education
achievement gap widened
DCPS ELEMENTARY TEST SCORES DOWN –DECLINES IN READING AND MATH
Michelle Rhee, unaccountable & unqualified‘chancellor’(note: she is not legally eligibleto be a school district superintendent)
“The DCPS had lower math test scoresin grades 4 and 8 in 2009,and District African-Americantest scores went down” …….read & view thedata = />http://www.examiner.com/ward-5-in-washington-dc/rhee-fails-on-nation-s-report-card————————–-------------------
“2010 DCPS Test Scores DECLINED”see news article,DCist website: = />http://dcist.com/2010/07/2010_dcps_test_scores_decline.php
Look at the data, rather than the24-7 mega-media hype manipulated,funded & produced by the Hedge Fund boyz,Kaplan Testing corporation,the edu-profiteers/financiers clique& their incompetent spokesmodel rabid Rhee– with her ludicrous lack of proventeaching or administrative experience,her lack of academic certification to be a superintendent,her
Oct 22, 2010 4:43 AM
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truthsayer wrote:
Investigate this!Rhee-form, edu-profiteers & sleazy, corrupt, HYPOCRISY
What was helicopter-inMichelle Rhee’s ‘DAMAGE CONTROL’for (boyfriend) Kevin Johnson?note:Michelle Rhee was on theSacramento school's board of directors(and was "operations manager"/consultant)of Kevin Johnson's privatized High School charter--- during the time whenthere were financial illegalities& misappropriations of($400,000) federal grantsand also a patternof outlandish sexual misconductperpetrated by school directorKevin Johnson involving students (minor teens)& subordinate (Americorps) school staff ---as documented byU.S. Govt. Inspector GeneralGerald Walpin.
(crucial, must read) == />http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Exclusive-Congressional-Report-Rhee-did-damage-control-after-sex-charges-against-fiancee-Kevin-Johnson.html
also, more detailedinfo. = />http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/11/20/what-was-michelle-rhees-damage-control-for-kevin-johnson/
very
Oct 22, 2010 4:48 AM
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truthsayer wrote:
“2010 DCPS Test Scores DECLINED”see news article,DCist website: = />http://dcist.com/2010/07/2010_dcps_test_scores_decline.php
Look at the data, rather than the24-7 mega-media hype manipulated,funded & produced by the Hedge Fund boyz,Kaplan Testing corporation,the edu-profiteers/financiers clique& their incompetent spokesmodel rabid Michelle Rhee-- with her ludicrous lack of proventeaching or administrative experience,her lack of academic certification to be a superintendent,her lack of reasonable supervisory procedures,her lack of basic managerial skills,her lack of team-building to implement goals,her lack of community developmentto facilitate progress,her lack of professional tact, her lack of essentialcommunication insight,and her abysmal lack of common sense.
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Oct 22, 2010 4:50 AM
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truthsayer wrote:
RESEARCH Michelle Rhee’s ongoingCONFLICTS OF INTEREST machinations, financial gaming the system, and legal violations ---in Washington, DC and also in Sacramento.
Did you know that every time she brings in a new inexperienced, unqualified “Teach for America” intern that she pays her ex-husband’s organization (he’s the “TFA” Communications Director) a fee of several thousand dollars for each recruit —which goes toward his salary and he then repays back to her as child support ! --- that’s self-dealing. ======= Investigate the rattling skeletons in both Michelle Rhee’s and Kevin Johnson’s closets, while they’ve been protected from consequences by their big-money financier and corporate backers [eg. deliberate prevarication, budgetary machinations & financial scandals (including misappropriation of over $400,000 in federal grants), sexual misconduct with students (teen minors) and staff subordinates, cover-ups and ‘hush money’ dealsbehind-the-scenes).——————————————Must-read im
Oct 22, 2010 4:53 AM
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truthsayer wrote:
Michelle Rhee's legal violations and malfeasance --
Must-read important news article:http://www.sacbee.com/2009/11/20/2338165/kevin-johnsons-accuser-says-he.html
See website:http://sacchartergate.blogspot.com/
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Oct 22, 2010 4:56 AM
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Zanne wrote:
The Gates Foundation grant to Hillsborough may well influence meaningful change for the better for our district's schools. Let's give it a chance before we decide it's a failure.
Oct 22, 2010 6:28 AM
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rolltide wrote:
Rhee is a hack of the highest order.She was TERMINATED in DC for poor performance!Student test scores DROPPED in DC under Rhee's watch.Rhee should be hounded into oblivion by all teachers.Say "bye bye" Michelle!
Oct 22, 2010 8:10 AM
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taylorcold wrote:
The Gates grand is 100% predicated on the assumption that the only problem with education in Hillsborough Co is a lack of effective teachers.
That is simply not true. The School District of Hillsborough Co promised to get rid of 5% of its teachers every year. I'm sure you believe they will target the least effective but consider this. The evaluations that will determine a teachers fate will be conducted by the existing staff of Principals and the newly minted "mentors". These evaluations will comprise 60% of a teachers score. The remaining 40% will be determined by test scores. Why not 100% on test scores?
Principals have been encouraged to find problems with the older, more costly teachers and the "mentors", some lured out of retirement and the rest with an average of 5 years experience, have been trained by UK based Cambridge Education America at a cost of 30 million bucks using an evaluation form designed by a professional economist named Charlotte Danielson.
Confident?
Oct 22, 2010 8:14 AM
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SaintPeteDave wrote:
Michelle Rhee is a visionary. You CANNOT gut the public school system, and we're so behind other industrialized countries in the kinds of grads we're turning out, I look forward to seeing what she can accomplish if she has the gov support. Its not the same school system that I attended while Ike and JFK were in the white house. I had a good public education, my kids got babysitters. Not alot of teaching going on in Florida public schools. Back in the day the schools were actually a priority for the government, now, not so much. Welcome to third world america.
Oct 22, 2010 8:30 AM
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oldcootpinellas wrote:
If you had a system turning out defective cars, wouldn't you change it? If doctors who graduated medical school couldn't pass basic tests, would you keep the school the same year after year?Rhee has some good ideas.
Oct 22, 2010 8:47 AM
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joe mota wrote:
Mass firing/hiring is not an efficient personell management. Hillsborough's strategy will work better. Most teachers are willing and able to improve and will respond positively to mentoring; at least this theory should be fully tested. We need to keep trying new approaches and find the ones that work best.
oldcoot, if your car starts running poorly, it's more efficient to give a tune up than to get rid of it and buy a new one. same with teachers. I admire Rhee's toughness in standing up against the entitlement mentality fostered by union protection, but it will prove more efficient to help existing teachers imrove. If they don't respond to mentoring, then fire them.
Oct 22, 2010 9:01 AM
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icreatemyexperience wrote:
Interesting how many of these posts are obviously created by the teachers union scribes that must track her every move and try to discredit her actions they see as a threat to their power...these unions are very scary - too much $ on the table - folks get crazy!
Oct 22, 2010 9:14 AM
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rolltide wrote:
stpetedave and oldcoot:the defective product is many of the students and their illiterate parents!but like the old saying goes.....you can't fix stupid!they don't call it FloriDUHHH for nothing!
Oct 22, 2010 9:16 AM
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Bucnright wrote:
Why did she pick 8th grade to speak about? 8th grade was the only group showing an increase and it is not even close to the surronding areas increase for 8th grade.
SaintPeteDave during your education what was the poverty level at in the US. The national rate is the highest since 1994 and among the working-age poor the highest level since the 1960s. The other issue is non english speaking students. Twenty years ago, public schools in Whitfield County, Ga., had just three non-English-speaking students. Today there are more than 1,700, or about 1 in every 6 students.
Now do you want to look at the numbers in teen violence? According to the Surgeon General, almost one out of every three sixteen to seventeen year olds in the United States self reports participating in acts of serious violence. From 1985 to 1994, the rate of homicides committed by youth aged fourteen to seventeen years increased by 172 percent.
I guess the teacher is really the person to blame. She/He controls all this
Oct 22, 2010 9:29 AM
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TerribleTed wrote:
Most teachers and their unions are cowards. Be accountable or get out. What are you so afraid of...losing your job or having to actually perform acceptably !
Oct 22, 2010 10:07 AM
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FL Cracker wrote:
Elia and her ilk and their kindler gentler attitude toward crappy teachers is a huge part of the problem. We need administrators who will have the guts to fire. Teachers unions have made teachers one of the only professions that are immune from firing. No matter how sorry they are, how lazy, how stupid...they have a job. THIS IS NOT RIGHT AND THIS IS WHY HIGH SCHOOL KIDS CAN'T READ and do basic math.
Oct 22, 2010 10:24 AM
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rolltide wrote:
terrible ted and FL cracker weighing in from their single wide up in Pasco after a few hits of crystal meth!it's illiterate inbred rednecks like you guys who give FloriDUH a bad name!I hope you have both been neutered so you can't reproduce and we don't have to teach your mentally challenged kids!this is your brain.....this is your brain on drugs (snap)!
Oct 22, 2010 11:25 AM
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RagTimes wrote:
If you want a real (good) Pinellas County School superintendent. Here she is in Ms. Rhee.
Oct 22, 2010 11:37 AM
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kgalloway4 wrote:
Why are we so afraid to speak the truth? We had a perfect PC example this week with the firing of Juan Williams by NPR. We go round and round on this site with everyone defending their turf disregarding the truth because it may cross the line of their safety zone. In this entire discussion I have yet to hear about WHAT IS BEST FOR EDUCATIONS PRIMARY CUSTOMER THE CHILDREN. I have several teacher friends. Each has expressed many times their frustrations with awful teachers in their schools. Kids arriving in their classes each year from prior teacher x's class who are woefully behind the other students. Precious time is wasted in catching up...if they can. Yet given this truth and reality no one seems to be concerned about the devastating blow these teachers give to their students. Throw your garbage out. Children are powerless in your care. Administrators if you were promoted out of favoritism beware. We want the best and are beginning to demand it. And, parents shape up or shut up.
Oct 22, 2010 11:48 AM
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Bucnright wrote:
Rolltide
Wasting time with those two they can not read. They understand nothing about the non english speaking students, poverty level or teen violence increase in the past 40 years.
Oct 22, 2010 11:50 AM
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beckmachine wrote:
First of all, if I read one more ill-used analogy to Nazi Germany I'm going to throw up. Secondly - to everyone who thinks teachers are the main reason for student failure, where is parental accountability? Those kids who are failing aren't just failing in the classroom. Who's checking homework? Helping study for tests? Going to the library on the weekends? It's easy to blame the person who sees the kids during the day; what's going on at night? When do people place high expectations on parent involvement?
Oct 22, 2010 11:50 AM
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Bucnright wrote:
oldcootpinellas
Maybe your system works fine. It is the defective materials you have been givin to work with.
Oct 22, 2010 11:54 AM
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Bucnright wrote:
First Unions in Florida have no power, the only power a union has is the ability to walk off the job. In Florida that is illegal to do.
Nobody is going to tell you that public schools do not have bad teachers, they do. Nobody will tell you in Florida a teacher can not be fired, they can and it is not hard to do. Look at Hillsborough the agreed to remove 5% of the teachers under the policies they already have, as reported in an old story on this site. The problem I have if they already knew that 5% of the staff was bad why were they not removed before. It should not have had anything to do with the Gates funds.
Oct 22, 2010 12:05 PM
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postmodman wrote:
Ms. Rhee's policies and approach did not affect the test scores of the district and caused a low-employee moral across the district from Admin to Educators. Her idea's were unfounded in research and had no viable model to draw from. If she was confident in her policies, why did she resign? Arne Duncan's district also has failed to show gains in their lower quartile schools. There is no research to show that the educational direction on Rhee or Duncan is a viable model for developing effective teachers. There is amble research to show that the process actually hurts districts. The two are completely off target in reaching our lower schools and population in the measure of approach. "Waiting for Superman" is an example of the one sided, single minded approach of "business" people who think that education is a bottom line or a economic equation. FAIL for all involved.
Oct 22, 2010 12:07 PM
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postmodman wrote:
Ms. Rhee's policies and approach did not affect the test scores of the district and caused a low-employee moral across the district from Admin to Educators. Her idea's were unfounded in research and had no viable model to draw from. If she was confident in her policies, why did she resign? Arne Duncan's district also has failed to show gains in their lower quartile schools. There is no research to show that the educational direction on Rhee or Duncan is a viable model for developing effective teachers. There is amble research to show that the process actually hurts districts. The two are completely off target in reaching our lower schools and population in the measure of approach. "Waiting for Superman" is an example of the one sided, single minded approach of "business" people who think that education is a bottom line or a economic equation. FAIL for all involved.
Oct 22, 2010 12:07 PM
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pambondikatrinadog wrote: hey maryEllen elia you fat ●●●●●, THIS cretin and liar does not give you permission to continue on your trafficking, gambling connecte husband puerto rican albert path. This lady has nothing to brag about. DC schools are for ●●●●. And so is she. And so are you. And so was Clayton Wilcox the other thief and so is Janssen ... you're a lowlife thief who intimidates children and stalks their parents. Have you on video like five times. And man, you are FUGLY. Get a new face. And get fired. Thieves should be fired. People who do psychological damage to children and murder the principals of schools so they can traffick narcotics through the schools should be HUNG