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Thursday, July 31, 2008

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By RICH SHOPES
The Tampa Tribune
Published: July 31, 2008
Updated: 12:22 am
TAMPA - Rather than wait for a regional transportation authority to develop a plan, Mayor Pam Iorio wants to develop a Tampa-centric approach that would ask Hillsborough County voters in 2010 whether to fund mass transit with a sales tax.
As previously proposed, the system would involve trains running from New Tampa to Tampa International Airport with stops at the University of South Florida and downtown. A final leg would take it north from the airport to Linebaugh Avenue.
"I think the city is ready," she said this week. "I think the people are ready."
Some members of that regional authority, the Tampa Bay Area Regional Transportation Authority, or TBARTA, think Iorio is jumping the gun.
"We need the support of multiple counties to make this work," Clearwater mayor and TBARTA board member Frank Hibbard said.
Hibbard said Iorio should wait until TBARTA finishes its analysis in December or January, at which point board members can decide where to start a mass transit system. Hibbard backs a St. Petersburg-to-Tampa route with a stop at Tampa International Airport.
Pinellas County Commissioner Ronnie Duncan, another TBARTA member, also wants Iorio to slow down.
"It bothers me that we're so close to having a regional plan and a financing program that I think we should wait," he said. "But I understand her passion, and I can't fault her for that."
Iorio also sits on the TBARTA board and said most regional rail systems get their starts as one or two lines in a city.
TBARTA, she said, eventually could add to the existing Tampa system as it grows, bringing mass transit to the entire seven-county region the group represents: Hillsborough, Pinellas, Pasco, Hernando, Citrus, Manatee and Sarasota counties.
"My hope is that this would be part of TBARTA's strategic plan," she said.
The amount of any proposed sales tax assessment - whether a fraction of a penny or a whole penny - has yet to be decided.
Iorio's plan is based on one that the county's bus agency, Hillsborough Area Regional Transit, or HART, created years ago and recently dusted off for revisions.
HART plans to vote Monday to pursue that scenario. Like Iorio, the agency is eager to get the question on the 2010 ballot. If the plan is approved, HART would seek millions in federal funding for construction.
A new rail system isn't the agency's only aim. HART faces growing demand from riders, but its main funding source, property taxes, is shrinking. Sixty-five percent of its $55 million operating budget comes from property taxes.
Raising the 7-cent sales tax by as much as a half-cent would generate an estimated $110 million yearly for transit in Hillsborough.
"We're talking not just about rail, but funding over the next 20 years for our bus system network, funding for bus rapid transit and what it would take to complete the streetcar system downtown," HART executive director David Armijo said. "There's a multitude of projects in Hillsborough."
TBARTA was formed by the Legislature in May 2007 with the sole purpose of creating a regional transportation plan with help from the state Department of Transportation.
Just months ago, the governor approved $2 million in state funding for TBARTA to hire a staff. By statute, the agency must have a plan in place by July 2009, but it's working to finish it by the end of this year.
Board members hope that plan sheds light on where to start building a rail system.
That's not soon enough for Iorio, who said it's unclear whether TBARTA will one day operate as a transit agency with taxing authority. Under its current structure, TBARTA does not have the authority to levy taxes.
HART's rail plan failed several years ago after Hillsborough County commissioners refused to bring it to the ballot. The sooner HART gets the question on the ballot this time around the better its chances to attract federal money distributed partly on a first-come, first-served basis, officials said.
Ray Chiaramonte, interim director of the county's long-term planning agency, said HART might have a better chance this time around.
"I think we are living in a totally different universe than we were living in then," Chiaramonte said. "Back then, gas prices weren't $3 and $4 a gallon."
St. Petersburg City Councilman Jeff Danner said it might make sense for Hillsborough to create its own plan if it's ahead of the other counties.
"It's an idea worth considering," he said.
If backed by its board, HART will work with county planners to update Tampa's plan. The finished plan would be presented to county commissioners next summer. If approved by commissioners, a sale tax option would be put on the ballot in 2010.
"This depends on the county commission," Iorio said. "If they are willing to put it on the ballot, this can still come to fruition, even though we're 20 years behind.
"Every other city that did this in the '80s and '90s is now reaping the benefit of their decisions and have an alternative to cars."
Reporter Rich Shopes can be reached at (813) 259-7633 or at rshopes@tampatrib.com.
Reader Comments
Posted by ( ANTICHOKE ) on July 31, 2008 at 12:47 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Tampa is fortunate to have a highly intelligent mayor with foresite and wisdom. I'm fully behind her! The 40th street project is a prime example of Tampas improvement under her administration. Good job Pam!
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Posted by ( sanders ) on July 31, 2008 at 2:07 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
"As previously proposed, the system would involve trains running from New Tampa to Tampa International Airport with stops at the University of Florida and downtown. A final leg would take it north from the airport to Linebaugh Avenue."
Wow, a stop at the University of Florida. Kind of far from Tampa don't you think?
Really, doesn't anyone proof read these stories before they go online?
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Posted by ( davidkc ) on July 31, 2008 at 5:53 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
It's nice to see Iorio finally take some serious action on mass transit. HART and TBARTA can run on parallel tracks, so to speak, and I don't blame Iorio for not wanting to wait for TBARTA to get its act together. I don't think everyone on the TBARTA board is fully committed to mass transit, and TBARTA is connected to the DOT, which doesn't want to do anything except build more highways. Iorio is right that most cities' light rail systems got started with a single starter line, and the one she proposes sounds great. Go for it Pam!
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Posted by ( Tampabob1 ) on July 31, 2008 at 7:12 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Yea,just what we need is a tax increase for another politician that wants to spend $$$$$. Give me a break. We all know each county will increase their tax rate if they can. The project will be studied to death and never materialize but the sales tax increase will never go away! Just look at her other expensive ideas. This mayor is a tax and spend democrat and she continues to prove it. Shut this down before a penny is spent!!!!
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Posted by ( gillnetter ) on July 31, 2008 at 7:14 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Sounds like a waste of money to me. It will have to be expensive otherwise you will get mugged by common thugs on a regular basis. Anybody rode the one in Miami?
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Posted by ( skeeter ) on July 31, 2008 at 7:21 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
You'll never get a bunch of bureaucrats from different counties to agree on anything. Tampa has all kinds of existing train tracks everywhere. "Just do it."
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Posted by ( debxter ) on July 31, 2008 at 7:47 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I think the cheapest transportation was in the 60's and 70's. It was called hitchhiking. The wait between rides was less than the bus and your only worry was whether the driver was a weirdo.
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Posted by ( seagoat_62 ) on July 31, 2008 at 7:51 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Would be nice to have that option and eventually link it to Orlando and Miami. The cost would be high, but better spent than what Tampa is still paying on the stadium to keep the bucs.
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Posted by ( HippyJoe ) on July 31, 2008 at 8:01 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Pam Iorio is a joke! Thanks God I don't leave in Tampa. She will tax all of you into the poor house. Way to go Pam, just go away.
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Posted by ( MrShrek ) on July 31, 2008 at 8:06 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Garbanzo...I have no idea what you want to say, but I bet its good...Anyway, I'm not sure how fair this proposal is to EVERYONE, because the ONLY people that will be using it, will be the New Tampa execs. on their way to and from the office, and airport. With the route suggested, those who would use it, or need to use it, can't. Perhaps the route needs to be reconsidered, in addition to more stops, so we don't get stuck paying for something only a few can use.
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Posted by ( fishe ) on July 31, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
So you are going to tax the entire city/county to fund a train that only benefits those in North Tampa and TIA will stops in between. How many people in North Tampa work on the way to or at the airport? Sounds like a great plan to me seeing that I never have a reason to go to North Tampa.
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Posted by ( ancientalumni ) on July 31, 2008 at 8:12 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Start the routes with rail busses build ridership at survivable costs then start running small trains as needed.
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Posted by ( ChickPea ) on July 31, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
It appears that we have a right-winger at the helm of tbo.com censorship today. Notice that they allow the comments about "tax and spend" but nothing about the "close-minded right". Interesting......
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Posted by ( Linker ) on July 31, 2008 at 8:21 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Bravo Mayor Pam!
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Posted by ( Marty ) on July 31, 2008 at 8:30 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
TBARTA is a joke! Looks like Mayor Pam is just now figuring that out and proceeding without them. Good Job Mayor! TBARTA doesn't have a clue as to how to get things funded unless our Govnah tosses them a bone anyway. Glad to see she is taking matters into her own hands!
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Posted by ( skeeter ) on July 31, 2008 at 8:36 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Yes, yes, there's absolutely nothing in between New Tampa and the Airport, hurr hurr! I know nothing about Tampa!
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Posted by ( rosie ) on July 31, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Listen to all these poor babies whining about paying taxes. Mine! Mine! Mine!
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Posted by ( noles2u ) on July 31, 2008 at 8:54 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
OhMyGawd - a leader! What a refreshing concept.
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Posted by ( maryayo ) on July 31, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
This is great, I only wish it could go on this years ballot and not wait until 2010. I ride the express bus to downtown and having to stand (because the bus is full) while the bus is going 55 on the interstate is no fun.
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Posted by ( Anaconda ) on July 31, 2008 at 9:30 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
No money for schools.
No money for garbage removal.
No money for civil service employees.
BUT, Mayor Pam I-owe-rio wants to spend more on a worthless boon doggle. I'll bet the rail system will run along her riverwalk.
Isn't it quaint that the proposed rail system has as its central point a high crime area?
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Posted by ( Tampa610 ) on July 31, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
If we had rail and a good bus system I could sell one of our cars. That would be an extra $650 a month I could spend on a better home, shopping in the area, and saving. I think the investment is worth if to help the entire economy and it will attract more big business that wants transportation options for its employees. Plus we won't need to expand the roads in many of our communities. traffic is only going to get worse. We need options. I'm ready to vote now...even if it is an extra penny. Tt's well worth it.
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Posted by ( jahi98 ) on July 31, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
If you look at HART and the MPO plan, the system will eventually expand to reach the majority of the county. It has to start somewhere, and it should start with the route that is likely to have the greatest ridership (what Iorio is proposing). For environmental and economic development reason, it's worth the money. Good for Iorio in taking the lead on this!
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Posted by ( kenny48 ) on July 31, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I sincerely doubt that Tampa will ever have a rail system. There are too many cheapskates in the area. They don't want to spend the money, that would make this area livable. I myself am bailing out. I gave up on Tampa and shortly I will move out of the area for good. This place is a joke. You get what you pay for and in Florida that's not much.
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Posted by ( wrongtalker ) on July 31, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Pam Iorio is proof positive that a competent Supervisor of Elections does NOT make for a competent Mayor.
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Posted by ( voxpopuli ) on July 31, 2008 at 11:10 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
TRAIN TO NOWHERE.
Like the art museum to nowhere. I mean to interim.
And heads had to roll FOR THAT.
Whom from Chicago will be tempted here in oh so glorious a fashion to throw your hard-earned dollars at these thugs who will give you a train to nowhere?
Like they will use anything already in place.This is TAMPA:
SLASH AND BURN.
Not the good way like the natives.
Just you know ... SLASH YOU OUT or BURN YOU OUT.
Train to nowhere.
As usual she'll just try to force it on people.
If she hadn't helped bush get elected charlie wouldn't be helping her now.
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Posted by ( traveler ) on July 31, 2008 at 11:10 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Good job, Pam!!! I would love a rail system! I was in D.C., Baltimore, NY not too love ago and the rails/subway are so convenient. I was also in Europe earlier this month and the trains are wonderful. This would be great and it has my vote. I would much, much rather spend money on this than helping people who don't help themselves!!!
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Posted by ( voxpopuli ) on July 31, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
TRAIN TO NOWHERE.Like the art museum to nowhere. I mean to interim.And heads had to roll FOR THAT.Whom from Chicago will be tempted here in oh so glorious a fashion to throw your hard-earned dollars at these thugs who will give you a train to nowhere?Like they will use anything already in place.This is TAMPA:SLASH AND BURN.Not the good way like the natives.Just you know ... SLASH YOU OUT or BURN YOU OUT.Train to nowhere.As usual she'll just try to force it on people.If she hadn't helped bush get elected charlie wouldn't be helping her now.
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Posted by ( voxpopuli ) on July 31, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
TBO, it really gets old that you will not allow the truth to be told in comments. Do you keep tommy there JUST to stop me from talking? LOL. Doesn't change a thang.She helped get bush elected and that's why charlie is helping her now.This is common knowledge. Not sure why your competent, astute, neocon reporters haven't stumbled across any news concerning this OR impeachment hearings held july 25th.
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Posted by ( voxpopuli ) on July 31, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
hey traveler, how about you just keep traveling and only keep your eyes on what YOU want?That's why YOU fit in so good in tampa. Selfish. (not all my beloved fellow tampans fit this but WAY TOO MANY)In no stretch of the imagination will tampa ever be anything even remotely similar to europe. That would take : CULTURE.Tampa HAS NONE.you cannot burn down (thanks tampa fire dept) slash and destroy every historic building in a city save the ones that the pigs want to save and call that culture.Get a grip.
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The City of Tampa and it's assorted city-sanctioned gang members need this property because it's in the middle of land they intend to develop for gambling facilities.
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be no police car at mi casa de tranquillo..

Wow, now they've mostly emptied out MY lil neighborhood, the nazis have to send their lil messages from 'da otha hood'. Almost fell out of my car laughing. You all live under this silly illusion that you are just doing and doing and no one's paying the piper but look around.

I see all kinds of issues cropping up as you struggle to keep the lid on. I don't feel good for you about that, I'm just pointing out the truth.

And, so to my loyal readers ... I must apologize for the slap-dash way I have been blogging lately. Also because the sheriff reads our blog avidly I'm bringing on a couple guest bloggers. A new guy and a chick. For when I can't keep up with the political stuff they'll jump in and hypothecinateize.

I'm busy at la casa de bonita voxerello painting and situating because we're about to be robbed and have our house burnt down. I want it to look nice.

Back to my previous statement. T P D.... don't expect to have to miss a donut coming by. Last thing I need is another useless piece of paper floating around down at the report unit. Only had two things stolen from my house over the years. Both by the fireman's nephew and krewe. So, it's a short road to ruin and I don't need the TPD to make me there. LOL. I've got my own ways.

Now, the reason why they like to burn houses down as I noted from my sister's sad death .... (YOU FILTHY MOTHERFUCKING PIGS) ... is that it gives them control (albeit brief) of the property. They can keep the homeowner out (safety and all) while they troll around, look for things to steal, find pot plants (SELECTIVELY and NO, not my beloved sister.) steal drugs and you know... wait for Red Cross to get there. Look at all the money Red Cross has..... three nights in a hotel. Luckily we have other options. And, one of them does not include letting your other relatives the Trumphauser's and krewe loot our property. When you burn it take care of it like the Marshall property. Straight to the ground. BOOM.

I know yall are great at setting fires. Just not so great at putting them out. Again, selectively.

Anyway, you and y0ur little story tellers and your messages and your idiocy ... knock yourselves out.
I don't see this ending well for you.

I also don't think you'll get what you come for.

I dunno ... maybe I'm old skool. But, when I want something from a person the last thing I do is piss them off. Makes them much harder to negotiate with.

Oh, I know ... you folks don't have to negotiate ... you married errrrr, ummm .... well and you're hanging on by the skin of your teeth so you don't have to go back to your trailers.

People that read know this stuff.

Please, while cash would still work .....

Because THAT window IS closing.

Anyway ... you got life all in a blender if you think that you are going to direct ME with your criminal activity.

But, again, yer fun to watch.

Oh, for the fireman that put the screw in my tire yesterday ... hey, thanks ... wow you really DROVE that one home. I have a nice pic of your car I'll be putting here. Odd, I didn't see you slithering around anywhere.

AND, they've got this new freak at the stalking (fire) station closest (blokk kaptains) to mi casa ... she's got all kindsa domestic issues. Always sitting out front when I drive by talking frantically into her cell phone. Always. Any hour of the day or night. I smell another tragedy coming.

Do the DO any psychological screening WHATSOEVER on these stalkers?

Never mind, I know the answer to that one.

I sleep like a baby with the security of the well-living.

You should try it.

I mean I GUESS it's more fun (for you) to fly around here and there plotting destruction.

By the way .... when you all are reading about these marvellllous businessmen and developers in tampa -- please read my story more closely. They actually get on their cell phones at my gym and have these loud, pretend conversations. I think it's kinda funny because for some loony reason known only to them they think I have to stand there and listen. I did notice how the thuggy but kinda cute guy looked around the corner for me and when he saw that I'd moved to the other side he all the sudden was done with his loud conversation. WOW. And THESE are the people that PAM IORIO will give YOUR money to for her TRAIN TO NOWHERE.

TRAIN TO NOWHERE.

Anyway .... they're not astute businessmen. They're just FREAKING THUGS.

So, you guys enjoy my bits and pieces.

Again, nothing like that will get you where you're going.

Will just be extracted from you and in the long run, will cost you more than you should be willing to pay.

BUT, again, I realize I'm talking to folks who are willing to pay 2500 dollars a day for the privilege of irritating the richest person in Tampa Florida.

Rich and edible.

What a combination.

I didn't even have to marry a thug to do so.

Just honored my family.

You know, the people that YOU MURDERED.

Okay, I have to go get busy.

Kindly fuck off.

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if you should ever need
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Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.
We have guided missiles and misguided men.
Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968)

Make today COUNT.
Go to to find the phone numbers of your Senators and Representative.

Bill Nelson 202 224 5274

Kathy Castor 202 225 3376 (UPDATED NUMBER)

Mel Martinez 202224 3041

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I don't care what you talk about but keep sending letters until they publish one. They're very selective with WHOM they publish because I see the same names over and over. Don't let a few people speak for ALL of us.

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LaS VEgas here in Tampa : Ta-Vegas or Tam-Gas.
But it's going to cost YOU a helluva lot of money as they defend their criminal acts in federal court due to what they are doing to my family and I in
the process of attempting to steal our home.

Terrorist,"Cause" and Gang Stalking Perpetrated by Tampa Firemen and other Firemen -- revealed and written about.

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Wednesday, July 30, 2008

No Tents to Slash just GET THE FUCK OUT

and, yknow, they've already made a law that you can't have more than five unrelated people under one roof which (hey t) remember that sword cuts both ways ......

how can THEY tell YOU who you can have IN YOUR PRIVATE HOME?????

riddle me that.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/article748454.ece

St. Petersburg officials to homeless: Move your stuff or we will
By Eddie R. Cole, Times Staff Writer Posted: Jul 30, 2008 10:25 AM
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ST. PETERSBURG — The buildup of personal belongings of 100 homeless people living under the Interstate 375 overpass along 15th Street N has forced the city to issue a 36-hour removal notice.
An ordinance passed within the last year requires public property and right of ways to stay clear of private belongings, said Gary Bush, operations manager for the city's code department.
The notice cites Section 8-321 of the city code, according to a sign placed on the site Tuesday morning. The deadline for removal is 9 tonight.
"It's excessive," Bush said, referring to the group gathered on 15th Street N between Fourth and Fifth avenues N.
"We just started seeing accumulation. It's things they can't carry around like mattresses," he said.
Bush said the city wants the homeless who sleep at the site to use the St. Vincent de Paul storage facilities, next to the affected property.
But Patricia Waltrich, executive director of St. Vincent de Paul, which serves 200 homeless people per meal, said that most of the facility's 192 storage bins are occupied.
"It's rare that we have any open bins," Waltrich said.
She said the 40-foot storage trailer is monitored by a St. Vincent de Paul staffer and allows homeless people to retrieve or store their belongings from 4 to 6 a.m. and 5 to 7 p.m. daily.
Also strapped for space is the sleeping area, which doubles as the St. Vincent de Paul dining room. Waltrich said that about 57 homeless people sleep there every night, just shy of the 60-person capacity.
"We're kind of an all-purpose, but you can only do what you can do," Waltrich said.
Tom Weaver, 63, has noticed.
Weaver said he was laid off by American Steel three months ago and has since slept on the concrete under the I-375 overpass.
He said the instructions to move are unnecessary.
"(The notice) says move from the public right of way, (but) the only ones who come over here is the homeless," Weaver argued. "There ain't nobody walking through here."
He also said his First Amendment right was violated after he made a sign for passing traffic that inquired why the homeless can't sleep on the sidewalk, but officers returned and told him he couldn't display it.
Dominick Marchese, 44, said he worked at the Oldsmar Flea Market before becoming homeless in March and is now searching for answers.
"Where am I going to go?" Marchese asked. "We're just waiting, trying to get into Tent City," or Pinellas Hope, a temporary outdoor shelter.
With no place to go, Weaver said that any action taken by the city besides allowing them to stay where they are will not be welcomed.
"We're human, for crying out loud," he said. "And hell is going to break loose if they throw all these people's stuff away."
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by PFG
Jul 30, 2008 2:47 PM
Obviously these people or many of them have mental disorders... CHUCK! Anyways it's not always as easy as some thing to get "help" welfare, food stamps or whatever. Many are turned down.
by Jen
Jul 30, 2008 1:55 PM
...and we shouldn't just accept that they ruin our sidewalks and parks with their dereliction. We all have a stake in making our community livable and these bums aren't holding up their end of the bargain. Throw em in jail and then out of town.
by Jen
Jul 30, 2008 1:55 PM
CC,Nic-there are tax-funded programs for mentally disabled people too. These folks just refuse to get help or give up the booze and drugs. I'm not saying we can't offer them a litte compassion, but let's not pretend they're innocent victims . . .
by Chuck
Jul 30, 2008 1:45 PM
justme - The BUMS that have been living under that overpass for YEARS didn't work at Bennigans or any other local company for that matter. You have common sense issues.
by CC
Jul 30, 2008 1:45 PM
I sympathize with those who are homeless because of disabilities, but,many are homeless by choice. They refuse to work, function as normal members of society, and feel that everyone owes them something.I feel only disgust for this group. Get a job!
by Jen
Jul 30, 2008 1:45 PM
justme:we have historically low unemployment in this country, even with the sluggish economy. And again, there are plenty of public welfare programs to help people truly in need. These folks are living on our streets because of their own poor choices
by justin
Jul 30, 2008 1:45 PM
For those who think they just need some help, then go down there and help them.It's either that or be quiet.
by joe in st pete
Jul 30, 2008 1:45 PM
Whatever happened to WPA. We are in that area of time now when it was popular. The Government (thru WPA) put jobless people to work putting in sidewalks and such. This would separate the ones who would truly work if they had work from the freeloaders
by Miss G
Jul 30, 2008 1:45 PM
As far joblessness goes. My dad is retired. He wanted to make a few extra $$$. Within a week he had 5 part time jobs. Two for parts delivery, 1 for cleaning pools, 1 at a convenience store and 1 with a neighbor guy. Key is...you have to WANT to work.
by joe tampa
Jul 30, 2008 1:45 PM
Find a J O B and you won't have to worry about this kind of thing!
by Nic
Jul 30, 2008 1:45 PM
I used to work at a mental health facility in St. Pete and a majority of the homeless people in St. Pete are severely and persistantly mentally ill. Lets cut them a little slack.
by John
Jul 30, 2008 1:45 PM
Shouldn't the Police be doing real police work. Catching robbers and drug dealers. Every city/town in the US has a homeless problem we need to figure a way to help these people out.
by Bonnie
Jul 30, 2008 1:45 PM
With the economy becoming a "Depression" instead of recession, how can we all cope with the HOMELESS results we are creating?
by Jen
Jul 30, 2008 1:40 PM
Arrest 'em. There's no right to live on public property. There's plenty of public programs for people truly in need, but they almost all require them to give up alcohol and/or drugs. These people aren't willing to go on the wagon. They ARE bums.
by MOE
Jul 30, 2008 1:40 PM
clean up or get out, bums. instead of loitering around town, start by getting at least a minimum wage job and working your way up like the rest of us.
by Chuck
Jul 30, 2008 1:40 PM
Cynthia Dalton hasn't missed a meal in a LONG time. Only in America do we have overweight homeless people.
by justme
Jul 30, 2008 1:40 PM
We are going to see more & more of this. Everytime we turn around a business is closing down. Yesterday Bennigans, tomorrow who? No jobs what are these people suppose to do?
by Lynn
Jul 30, 2008 1:39 PM
Solve the problem? When are people going to take responsibility for themself?
by Holly
Jul 30, 2008 1:39 PM
In the 1960's, Williams Park was beautiful; today, not so much. I too, have been disgusted with the "lack" of leadership in St Petersburg. Shame on Rick Baker!
by Harold
Jul 30, 2008 1:39 PM
Are there no work houses, no orphanages? Bah, humbug!!
by Wade
Jul 30, 2008 1:38 PM
Gee, I wonder if I stop working if one of you all "pro" homeless people will take care of me?? See that's the difference, I know that I have to rely on myself, therefore, I am commmited to working and saving. No one else will do it for me.
by Dale
Jul 30, 2008 1:38 PM
Jeez Mary, yeah, let's blame companies for these people being homeless.God forbid anyone take responsibility for their own actions and choices that they've made in life.Of course there are exceptions, but they are just that, exceptions.
by Chloe
Jul 30, 2008 1:38 PM
Did you know that jobs are being sent oversees because of the GOVERNMENT raising the minumum wage. Biz owners can't afford the raise, so this only hurts people who would have had jobs here. Blame the "great minds" at the govt. level.
by Mo
Jul 30, 2008 12:34 PM
Who is the city trying to kid? That place has always been filled with homeless and their belongings. Instead of trying to force them to just move to another spot, figure out something to help those that truly need and want help. They aren't all bums
by Tramor
Jul 30, 2008 12:34 PM
I'm continually disgusted by Mayor Baker, the Council, and SPPD to enforce this ordinance. Williams Park is still a disgrace - even after this ordinance passed.
by debbie
Jul 30, 2008 12:34 PM
leave the people alone. they are not bothering anyone. if u can't take one or two home with u, then why bother. we are living one pay check from getting put out. open up some jobs and lift that felony thing. people need to work. bottom line
by Krusty
Jul 30, 2008 12:34 PM
They should be put to work by the city cutting grass, digging ditches, etc. so that they can earn enough to buy food & shelter. If you don't work, you don't eat.
by LDH
Jul 30, 2008 12:34 PM
Sorry, the City's money is all gone to woo big business and the rest is burning a hole in their pocket to spend on an unnecessary new baseball stadium. So much for be seen and not heard. Now the homeless can't even been seen! These people need help!
by Jim
Jul 30, 2008 12:34 PM
When I see homeless beggars by Tyrone Mall falling down in the middle of the street, vomiting in the bushes, leaving trash in their wake, it's time for the city to do something. Sad to say, but it must be done throughout the city.
by Jean
Jul 30, 2008 12:34 PM
Why is there not more places to help the homeless. Some of them have mental issues as well. Mis-treating them will not help them. I see lots of people on the street mediums, hungry, will work for food.
by Ray
Jul 30, 2008 12:34 PM
"Hell is going to break loose" What are they gonna do, get jobs and really show us??? Panhandling in St Pete is WAY OUT OF CONTROL. I see a dozen panhandlers on my way home-smoking, drinking bottled water, fresh haircuts... they make $200 a day.
by Chuck
Jul 30, 2008 12:33 PM
Further evidence this city is turning into nothing more than Pinellas County's toilet. I can't wait to move from this place overrun with liberals and bums. Countryside here I come.
by Mary
Jul 30, 2008 12:33 PM
Perhaps, the banks, mortgage and insurance companies and all the companies sending these people's jobs overseas should be forced to build decent housing for these folks, after all, they're the one's responsible for them being homeless in the 1st plac
by Jimbo
Jul 30, 2008 12:33 PM
I can't leave my lawn uncut or my couch in my front yard due to city ordinances, so what makes them think they're special just because they're homeless? Follow the rules & you won't have problems. Most of them choose to live like that anyway, bums.
by Holly
Jul 30, 2008 12:33 PM
For years, our elected officials in St Pete have demonstrated taking NO action or having a plan for the homeless. When are they REALLY going to solve this problem?
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CRUCIAL ACTION: Contact the House Judiciary Committee and Nancy Pelosi TODAY. Don't wait. One click. The momentum is on our side and the world is watching. Bush cronies WORLD WIDE declaring martial law. Nation of GA, Pakistan, Burma ... Mexico's election illegal and then the flooding. GETTING THEM OUT OF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY. Believe this. And help a country out here.
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text "CHENEY" to 30644 to impeach him first, or text "BUSH" to 30644 to impeach him first, or text "BOTH" to 30644 if you think it would be strategically wise to go for the double play

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I've saved some sunlight
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a place away from darkness
where your mind can feed.
from Rod McKuen's "I've Saved The Summer"

Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.
We have guided missiles and misguided men.
Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968)

Make today COUNT.
Go to to find the phone numbers of your Senators and Representative.

Bill Nelson 202 224 5274

Kathy Castor 202 225 3376 (UPDATED NUMBER)

Mel Martinez 202224 3041

Send a letter to the St.Pete Times
I don't care what you talk about but keep sending letters until they publish one. They're very selective with WHOM they publish because I see the same names over and over. Don't let a few people speak for ALL of us.

And call your congressman and talk to her of Inherent Contempt. Do it. And hug everyone you can reach.

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Turn them ON. PlEaSe ! Help a country out here. Also, click the link to sign the petition. Takes three seconds.

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... located in the midtown desired redevelopment center just one block from the river.
The City of Tampa and it's assorted city-sanctioned gang members need this property because it's in the middle of land they intend to develop for gambling facilities.
LaS VEgas here in Tampa : Ta-Vegas or Tam-Gas.
But it's going to cost YOU a helluva lot of money as they defend their criminal acts in federal court due to what they are doing to my family and I in
the process of attempting to steal our home.

Terrorist,"Cause" and Gang Stalking Perpetrated by Tampa Firemen and other Firemen -- revealed and written about.

Some more threats from Tampa firemen (we'll just drive by your burning house if we know who you are) no kidding? I would NEVER have guessed that !
Stop Organized Stalking
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Vox Niemoller

This isn't going to be my best work but ... WAKE UP YOU folks who really ARE progressive.

PLEASE.

They came for the meth-users but I wasn't one so I let them post their pictures

They came for the meth-dealers but I wasn't one so I let them

They came for the probationers but I wasn't one so I let them

They came for the men who visit prostitutes but I wasn't one ....

They came for the sex-offenders but I wasn't one ...

They came for the property-owners ...

They came to create sex-offenders from property-owners ...

They came to read your mail but I wasn't doing anything wrong.....

You get where I'm GOING????

When you see people who are NOT progressive (heading up united way and other 'charities' tops my list of folks who KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON and still aren't doing anything .. better yet are probably complicit...

others have revealed themselves as power-grabbers.

Alex Sink is NOT a democrat.

Follow your eyes down ruth's list and pick your poison.....

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ERACISM: ALL colors with love and respect.

"This Act (the Federal Reserve Act, Dec. 23rd 1913) establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Woodrow Wilson) signs the Bill, the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalised... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency Bill."
Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr.

CRUCIAL ACTION: Contact the House Judiciary Committee and Nancy Pelosi TODAY. Don't wait. One click. The momentum is on our side and the world is watching. Bush cronies WORLD WIDE declaring martial law. Nation of GA, Pakistan, Burma ... Mexico's election illegal and then the flooding. GETTING THEM OUT OF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY. Believe this. And help a country out here.
ADD ON: The Sunroof, teenage, bomb, blast, gunshot, LIES pertaining to the MURDER of Benazir Bhutto.

A successful person is one who can lay a firm foundation with the bricks that others throw at him or her. David Brinkley

Get your ARREST BUSH Tshirt HERE!!
SQUELCH THE FCC's HIDDEN PLAN geez
Tampa Firemen and Other Firemen Fire Brigade: NeoNazis

Follow along with Tampa Stalking HERE.
Additional
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KNOW WHERE YOU STAND AND STAND THERE
The DOCUMENTED TRUTH about Masons and Shriners (part of it )

Be the ONE MILLIONTH PERSON to sign the IMPEACH BUSH petition.
text "CHENEY" to 30644 to impeach him first, or text "BUSH" to 30644 to impeach him first, or text "BOTH" to 30644 if you think it would be strategically wise to go for the double play

The heart has it's reasons which reason knows nothing of.
*
We know truth, not only by reason, but also by the heart.
Blaise Pascal

Here's the last 25 messages on the Impeach Cheney matter
No Excuses : Email any rep in the country. Go ahead. They have to answer you; it's what you pay them for. Compel them to uphold their oath to protect the Constitution of the United States of America.

The lie was dead
And damned, and truth stood up instead.
Robert Browning

ANOTHER BUSH LIE

I've saved some sunlight
if you should ever need
a place away from darkness
where your mind can feed.
from Rod McKuen's "I've Saved The Summer"

Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.
We have guided missiles and misguided men.
Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968)

Make today COUNT.
Go to to find the phone numbers of your Senators and Representative.

Bill Nelson 202 224 5274

Kathy Castor 202 225 3376 (UPDATED NUMBER)

Mel Martinez 202224 3041

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CODEPINK activists have been steadily, faithfully, and creatively pressuring Congress to impeach the criminals in the White House, and we are starting to see results. Last week, at the Judiciary Committee hearing "Executive Power and its Constitutional Limitations," impeachment was referenced dozens of times.
In her first days in power, Nancy Pelosi famously announced that impeachment was off the table, but on the popular television show The View this past Tuesday, she admitted that she would hold impeachment hearings if someone could prove that Bush committed a crime. We hope she watched last week as Dennis Kucinich, Liz Holtzman, and Vincent Bugliosi passionately enumerated Bush's impeachable offenses at a Judiciary Committee hearing. Be sure to watch their stirring testimony -- it will inspire and galvanize you.
Impeachment is the means the framers of the Constitution created to safeguard against an elected official's subverting the best interests of our country. Even though Bush's days in office are numbered, the damage he has done to our government may outlast his Presidency. Congress must fulfill its responsibility to hold this administration accountable for its flouting of the Constitution and international law. Please call the Judiciary Committee today at 202-225-3951 and demand an immediate impeachment hearing or inquiry.You can be documented in history as a citizen who pushed for impeachment--click here to sign our petition and be part of Dennis Kucinich's official testimony. He will deliver the list of names on Friday, where it will be added to the Congressional record. Each name makes our case stronger -- please add your endorsement today. You don't need to stop there; click here to join us at the DNC/RNC conventions in late August and early September where we will keep the pressure on both parties. As we've seen, our hard work is paying off. With peace and strength,Alicia, Anne, Dana, Deidra, Desiree, Farida, Gael, Gayle, Jean, Jodie, Liz, Lori, Medea, Nancy, Rae and Tighe
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ERACISM: ALL colors with love and respect.

"This Act (the Federal Reserve Act, Dec. 23rd 1913) establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Woodrow Wilson) signs the Bill, the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalised... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency Bill."
Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr.

CRUCIAL ACTION: Contact the House Judiciary Committee and Nancy Pelosi TODAY. Don't wait. One click. The momentum is on our side and the world is watching. Bush cronies WORLD WIDE declaring martial law. Nation of GA, Pakistan, Burma ... Mexico's election illegal and then the flooding. GETTING THEM OUT OF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY. Believe this. And help a country out here.
ADD ON: The Sunroof, teenage, bomb, blast, gunshot, LIES pertaining to the MURDER of Benazir Bhutto.

A successful person is one who can lay a firm foundation with the bricks that others throw at him or her. David Brinkley

Get your ARREST BUSH Tshirt HERE!!
SQUELCH THE FCC's HIDDEN PLAN geez
Tampa Firemen and Other Firemen Fire Brigade: NeoNazis

Follow along with Tampa Stalking HERE.
Additional
data on GANG STALKING IN AMERICA and ELSEWHERE
KNOW WHERE YOU STAND AND STAND THERE
The DOCUMENTED TRUTH about Masons and Shriners (part of it )

Be the ONE MILLIONTH PERSON to sign the IMPEACH BUSH petition.
text "CHENEY" to 30644 to impeach him first, or text "BUSH" to 30644 to impeach him first, or text "BOTH" to 30644 if you think it would be strategically wise to go for the double play

The heart has it's reasons which reason knows nothing of.
*
We know truth, not only by reason, but also by the heart.
Blaise Pascal

Here's the last 25 messages on the Impeach Cheney matter
No Excuses : Email any rep in the country. Go ahead. They have to answer you; it's what you pay them for. Compel them to uphold their oath to protect the Constitution of the United States of America.

The lie was dead
And damned, and truth stood up instead.
Robert Browning

ANOTHER BUSH LIE

I've saved some sunlight
if you should ever need
a place away from darkness
where your mind can feed.
from Rod McKuen's "I've Saved The Summer"

Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.
We have guided missiles and misguided men.
Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968)

Make today COUNT.
Go to to find the phone numbers of your Senators and Representative.

Bill Nelson 202 224 5274

Kathy Castor 202 225 3376 (UPDATED NUMBER)

Mel Martinez 202224 3041

Live Blogging Impeachment

I guess they thought we'd GO AWAY (we won't) and now Conyers is writing aNOTHER book about impeachment yet NOT impeaching. Don't you buy that book. Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder is so compelling I was reading it before Disturbed came on last nite.

Yeah, reading at a metal concert. Who knew? I'm a lil disappointed and disturbed that the lead singer of disturbed led a USA chant last night before he played into the fire. BUT, it's my solid belief that if you're making it right now in the music world it MIGHT have something to do with the fact that you're a bushie chosen one. Or not. AND, we CAN tell the difference. Please note your music sales. LMAO.

They're organizing rock concerts in an extremely disturbing way. Creating venues in neighborhoods that go get sound ordinances enforced. It curtails the ability of the artist to BE an artist and truly connect with the audience. AND, some people don't even get it. They just get up and leave like encores was not what they WERE. (lol) But, this soul connection with the audience is important. When corporations steal it and the artist cooperates for the bottom line, there's a problem.

WHERE are the John Lennons???

Oh, that's right: DEAD for his views. Not because of some nut.

The nuts are all still running the asylum and a VERY DISTURBING number of them are officials. AND, tehy are running out of time and they are making life as miserable as they can for some. But, hey .. it makes it easier for peace-loving folks to invoke all the misery in return they can muster up.

It's better this way.

I am honored that you bring all your sleeziness to bear for me. It's .... weak. And, sad /// that you actually think it has some substance.

I'm sorry for you. Take good care of yourselves. Some of you seem like you had some real potential as human beings at one time. Maybe again. I hope so.

We've Opened the Door, How Do We Keep It Open?
By David Swanson, http://afterdowningstreet.org
Your hard work has resulted in Congress cracking open the door to impeachment, justice, and peace. How can you keep it open?
A lot of us have our own favorite impeachable offenses - mine is the Iraq war - but a lot of them are not about to go anywhere in Congress. The impeachable offenses that appear to have the most traction among congress members (i.e. very little) are:
1. The numerous violations of laws combined with the announcement of the intention to violate those laws through signing statements. (I say it in this longwinded way, because just abbreviating it to "signing statements" allows people to pretend to miss the point.)
2. The numerous refusals to comply with requests, subpoenas, and contempt citations.
It has always been predictable, and predicted, that these would have the most traction (because nonpartisan, non-controversial, no congressional complicity, no investigation needed, clearcut and simple), and it has become clear that - as predicted - they DO in fact have the most traction.
We'd all LOVE to nail these fascist bastards for our favorite offenses, but we'd also all HATE for them to get off scott free, thereby establishing a precedent for future presidents; and when they nailed Al Capone for tax fraud everybody understood exactly why they'd done so.
What is needed is pressure on every member of Congress to themselves pressure Conyers, including by signing Wexler's letter at http://wexlerwantshearings.com So, please call your Representative every day at (202) 224-3121, focus on the issues that have the most traction, and urge them to ask Conyers to hold a real impeachment hearing. Remember that in an impeachment hearing the excuse of "executive privilege" is not allowed. A subpoena must simply be obeyed or those who refuse to obey it can be impeached.
Of secondary value is trying to get your Representative to introduce new articles of impeachment or new resolutions calling for impeachment hearings. So, any lengthy communications with your Rep should include that ask.
The third most important thing to do is to contact media outlets and urge them to cover impeachment, and contact polling companies and urge them to poll on impeachment.
The fourth most important thing to do is to support pro-impeachment candidates for Congress and make certain the incumbents know about it. Don't just send a check. First send a photocopy of it to the incumbent letting them know why they aren't getting one.
Now is the time to move on this with everything we've got. We've opened the door and must not allow it to close again.
It might help to review what happened in the House Judiciary Committee hearing on Friday, by reading the following live blog from the bottom up:
Live Blogging Hearing on Impeachment (Not Yet Impeachment Hearing)
C-Span has video links on homepage to Panel 1 and Panel 2.
In this hearing we heard the case for impeachment from Kucinich, Wexler, Jackson-Lee, Johnson, Baldwin, Ellison, Hinchey, Holtzman, Anderson, Adams, and even Barr. We heard general support in that direction from Scott, Lofgren, and even Nadler (almost). And we heard Pence's and Franks' laughable and inculpating defenses along the lines of "Bush is not a crook." Not bad for the first day's work of the 110th Congress! Now, how about an impeachment hearing? We saw a lot of interest from committee members in the offense of signing statements, and also in the refusal to comply with subpoenas. Those are the issues that seem to have the most traction (and the least congressional complicity).
Now would be the time for a little less talk and a lot more action! Please call your Representative at (202) 224-3121 and ask them to call John Conyers and ask for impeachment hearings to begin. Please ask everyone you know to do the same. Please call every morning until it happens.
4:10 Nadler points out that whereas evidence was nonexistant or disputed, Bush asserted repeatedly that it was absolutely certain. Lundgren claims that Bush based that on the wisdom of intelligence agencies around the world [sic!]. [Even if that were true, isn't it a problem that US intelligence was full of doubts and major counter-evidence?]
4:05 Lundgren claims Bush meant well. Nadler asks about evidence on edited NIE presented today. Lundgren dismisses it. Audience laughs. Lundgren asks for people to be removed. Conyers says that if anyone causes a disruption at the end of the hearing they will be forbidden to attend any more hearings.
3:58: Ellison is trying again to get Presser to agree there are grounds for impeachment on the matter of war lies. He agrees, only if Kucinich's case is "proved." Ellison asks Radkin too, but he pulls out the "they meant well and sadly turned out to be wrong, which is different from intentionally lying." I'd like Kucinich to make the overwhelming case that Bugliosi has been making that they knowingly lied, but he instead makes the reasonable case that if all the assertions turn out to be false that is sufficient grounds for an impeachment inquiry.
3:55: Ellison is giving Kucinich another opportunity to speak about his article of impeachment on war lies, which he is doing at some length. Lundgren is the only Republican member still here. Conyers, Nadler, Scott, Lofgren, and Baldwin are here, and everyone is awake.
3:54 After Fein suggests a law banning use of funds for anything signing statemented, Ellison asks why the president couldn't just signing statement that new law. Fein had no answer.
3:45 Red Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is here for first time and expressing concern of some sort about signing statements.
3:38 Rep Schiff wants a new Church Committee to last into the next Congress, and he wants to White House to notify the Congress in a timely manner when it is about to violate laws. (I do hope I am hallucinating now.) Schwartz points out that there is already a law requiring that the president notify Congress when he will use a signing statement to claim the right to violate a law, but Bush has used a signing statement to erase the requirement that he notify Congress about signing statements. Schwartz points out also that we should have no secret laws whatsoever.
3:34 Baldwin raises danger of leaving Bush and Cheney unchecked for seven more months, in particular the possibility of an attack on Iran. What impact would an impeachment inquiry have on the possibility of attacking Iran? Anderson: wants a bill passed! (???) Bugliosi refuses to speculate.
3:30 Baldwin is bringing up John Nichols' book and the Bill Moyers show he was on with Fein. She's quoting Nichols account of presidential toolbox passing from president to president. And the toolbox now has more powers in it than ever before.
Lundgren is asleep now.
3:25 pm Rep Brad Sherman shows up for first time and says Congress has become mere advisors to White House. President won't obey laws. Any law to fix the problem will be vetoed. To Fein: is nonfeasance an impeachable offense? Fein: the "take care that laws are faithfully executed" comes from English Bill of Rights ... meaning Yes. Sherman is talking about signing statements. Sherman asks Holtzman if a prosecutor should bring a case if virtually certain of not getting a conviction? She says maybe.
Kucinich has gone out and come back with what is probably a stack of petition signatures in support of impeachment. Ellison is talking with Kucinich.
3:19 p.m. Rep Hank Johnson asks Presser about his testimony back in the day that if Clinton lied he should be impeached: if a president lied about taking a nation into war, would that be an impeachable offense? Presser says "you'd have to look into the circumstances...." Johnson turns to Holtzman, which is much more productive.
Nadler and Scott are both sleeping. No joke.
3:13 Rep Cohen asks Holtzman about what branch Cheney belongs to. Fein points out that a Senator has been impeached, so Cheney can claim he's in the legislative branch and be impeached. Cohen asks Fein whether it would be socially beneficial to impeach, or more important to do other things as Rep Watt advises. Fein says that impeaching Nixon was greatly unifying. He also says that there is penty of time since no investigation is needed. The president has confessed to viiolating FISA (witnesses are now routinely accusing the president of crimes and calling him "the president" against the rules).
3:03 Rep. Wexler says that ignoring subpoenas, spying, and torture, are - pace Pence - not "mere policy differences". Wexler expands on the subpoenas topic. Barr has left. Wexler wanted to ask him about statements he made in support of the rule of law during the Clinton impeachment. (Wexler may have been out of the room today when Barr came around in support of impeachment.) Rocky Anderson says Wexler is right, that we're not just talking about policy, but about Constitutional issues. Now, says Rocky, is the time for Congress to assert its power. Wexler now asks Fein about Mukasey coming before the committee and refusing to honor subpoenas. Fein says that's a clear impeachable offense on its own. Popular government can't work if the public can't know what its government is doing. You don't need an investigation to impeach: you just vote. [Go, Bruce!] Liz Holtzman adds that the president [OOPS, WHO? Can you say that?] has refused to give Congress what it needs to do its job and obstructs the work of Congress. She recommends holding an impeachment inquiry, requesting the information again, and if it is not provided then impeaching.
NOTE: Pacifica is terminating its broadcast, but we all appreciate them carrying the hearing up to this point.
3:02 Rep. Pence appears to be filibustering on his opposition to impeachment, chewing up time for no apparent purpose, asking three-minute questions that get three-word responses because they are just obvious rants.
2:53 p.m. One of the Repubicans tried to cut Bugliosi off by claiming he was discussing classified information. (He was discussing the declassified 2002 NIE.) The groans from the audience shut him up. Nobody said a thing about the groaning. Bugliosi was permitted to keep speaking.
2:43 Sheila Jackson-Lee (I kid you not) is urging passage of a bill to correct the abuse of signing statements (who spots the weakness in this strategy?). But she's now asking Fein to speak on war lies, and she's suggesting it's treason. And now she's giving Bugliosi a chance to expand on his case (the familiar case in his book, which many in this room have never heard).
2:36 At request of a Republican Conyers asks staff to remove signs. Staff is asking vets to remove buttons.
Tarak Kauff shouts that it's a disgrace when Bush is responsible for so many murders to demand that vets take off buttons. He's hauled out by police.
TJ Buomo refuses to take off his button, shouts out his 1st Amendment right and is hauled out by police.
Lori Arbeiter also refused to comply and was hauled out.
Liz Cater spoke up and tried to go help Lori and was threatened with removal until a bunch of us shouted that she'd done nothing, and the police backed off and she sat down.
2:26 Lofgren is still pushing idea of a truth and reconciliation commission. And Schwartz is recommending the 9-11 Commission as a model [I may be tired but I'm not hallucinating this.]
2:25 OK I've covered up my IMPEACH shirt because a friend thinks they'll try to arrest me for wearing it.
2:16 Republican Rep. Louis Gohmert: The president is not a crook, really! And: Never trust a Muslim!
2:10 The Judiciary Committee staff is begging me to cover up my IMPEACH shirt, and I'm refusing.
2:08 Rep Mel Watt here now for first time today. He said "If attorneys general are protecting me against terrorists, who is protecting me against THEM?" [Loud applause.] He then refuses to support impeachment. [silence] Did Pelosi send Watt here??
2:02 Franks has interrupted this hearing on the abuses of Bush and Cheney to let us know that we should all be VERY VERY AFRAID of Muslim terrorists. Then Franks says that if there was a failure, it was in allowing 9-11 to occur. [Wow, it's almost as if he's read Kucinich's article of impeachment on that very point. Yes, I'm kidding. He wouldn't ever have done that.]
1:49 Bobby Scott: Are we necessarily talking about impeachment or something other than impeachment or must it be impeachment, what other tool do we have to enforce limitations on executive power? Fein says that under Nixon when he was in Justice Dept they concluded you could not prosecute a president while in office, and concluded that impeachment was the only remedy for an abusive president. Barr added that Congress can pass laws. Holtzman said that doesn't matter if president is not bound to obey the laws, and that the real remedy is impeachment -- there's no running away from that. Bugliosi added that president can be prosecuted from the day he leaves office.
1:46 Congressman Kucinich has never left the room and is still sitting in the front row. People are still coming in -- all of them impeachment activists -- whenever a seat opens up.
1:42 King is still talking about shopping for uranium. Essentially his case amounts to "Yoo Hoo, Look way over here away from the Constitution. I'm making a giant ass of myself! Look Look!" See evidence re uranium lies HERE.
1:37 Nadler suggests impeachment is virtually impossible because conviction requires support of president's party. Holtzman says that impeachment can be bipartisan, as in fact it was with Nixon. But the Democrats led in the beginning and did not do a headcount before proceeding. The process was made completely fair. Southern Democats and Republicans joined in because it was fair to parties and fair to the president. And when we started nobody thought it would work. It did.
1:32 Nadler questions Schwartz assertion that impeachment is not practical. But prosecution faces possible block by pardons. Do we need to change pardon clause of the Constitution? [IS HE SERIOUS? Amend the Constitution to explicity bar the outrageous absurdity of self-pardoning??] Fein jumps in to say that a statute could require that pardons occur 8 months before leaving office, therby creating political penalty for abuse of the power.
1:30 Nadler suggests that even though executive privilege should not apply in an impeachment hearing, Bush might STILL assert it. Fein replies that remedy wold be an article of impeachment, as with Nixon.
1:28 Nadler tears down rightwing strawman that impeachment is about using presidency for personal gain, it's about abuse of power! If the Pres lied to Congres, and I think there's good evidence he did [Nadler just violated the HOLY RULE against calling the king a liar], it's impeachable. This prez claims right to call anyone in this room an enemy combatant and lock them up forever. This has never happened since Magna Carta in English-speaking countries. They torture. they don't prosecute their own crimes. There's no remedy by the executive branch! We've got to figure a way around this. [HOW ABOUT IMPEACHMENT?]
1:18 Lamar Smith citing fact that most people have discussed impeachment in this non-impeachment hearing. Presser claims Clinton impeachment had nothing to do with lying about sex, and that he has heard nothing today to suggest impeachable offenses. [YES! More "I am not a crook" discussion from the Republicans.] Radkin joining in: "He did not lie us into a war." Plus: "Lots of other presidents have lied us into wars too!" [Derrida called this kettle logic: I didn't break your kettle, it was broken when I borrowed it, they always break, and I never borrowed it at all.]
1:18 Q and A beginning.
Elliott Adams: he joked and passed on commenting.
Schwartz: Abuses of this president are unique. He claims the right to break any law and to do so secretly. This doctrine needs to be "squashed, disagreed with, and exposed." [HOW ABOUT IMPEACHED?]
Vincent Bugliosi beautifully challenges Presser's contention that a lie about sex is worse than a lie about war. Now Bugliosi is citing the WHITE HOUSE MEMO. Cindy Sheehan shouted out "Thank you, Vince!" Conyers said that his colleagues were urging him to take action. Cindy said "I urge YOU to take action!" Conyers said, "Well then, Sheehan you're out." Cindy left. Other impeachment advocates immediately came in to fill her seat and those of people who left with her.
Bruce Fein: Executive ONLY has powers we the people give him. Do all presidents spy during wars? No, and this is worse because this war is permanent. Robert Jackson at Nuremburg says that an abusive power unrebuked will lie around like a loaded weapon.
Stephen Presser: right to hold this hearing, but there is no evidence of fraudulent motives, and minority report of this committee shows that the admin has cooperated and acted in good faith.
Rocky Anderson: impeachment appropriate now, including for fraud in taking us into war by the pres... oops I mean hight ranking official of the administration.
Bob Barr: Our bill of rights is vanishing. He holds up and displys the Bill of Rights with most of it blacked out. He submits it into the record. Not my job to choose impeachment, but if choice is constitutional inquiry or silence, I choose inquiry. [One rightwinger won over already today!]
Liz H: Admin will never prosecute itself. Truth Commission won't work. Only impeachment is practical and possible. It eliminates executive privilege. Somebody get this bit onto Youtube ASAP!
12:58 Conyers letting each panelist add something in response to other panelists.
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12:53 Elliott Adams' excellent testimony. He's reading it now!
12:48 Fred Schwartz opposes impeachment as too late (as if he ever lifted a finger for it) but wants a big whopping "investigation" (which of course actually does take time, unlike impeaching Bush and Cheney on the grounds established today and over the past years).
12:44: A staffer is trying to get me to cover up my IMPEACH shirt and I'm refusing.
12:41 Rightwing minority witness Jeremy Radkin says war lies is clearly most important charge, but claims its "wild conspiracy charges." And, so, all other charges should be ignored as less important, and then this charge should be ignored as crazy.
12:34 Bugliosi is giving abbreviated version of his usual powerful rap on Bush lying us into war. AND he's calling for referral of criminal charges to the Justice Department (are you kidding me, Vince? you were going to advocate impeachment, not futility). Great rhetoric, though. [Strong applause results in Republican call to clear the room and Conyers refusal but repeated admonition.
12:32 Conyers is introducing Vince Bugliosi, holding up his book "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for murder."
12:25 Bruce Fein is now reading his excellent statement, posted earlier on this website.
12:20 p.m. Rightwing lawyer Stephen Presser making case that his brain has been absent from the room for the past couple of hours AND that Bill Clinton was a president who really merited impeachment. He claims that stating a theory about "unitary executive" is not an impeachable offense, but he's the first today to have suggested that.
Note: more citizens (all for impeachment) are gradually filling in more seats as staffers grow tired and hungry.
12:13 Rocky Anderson wants investigation (as if we don't already know the crimes and haven't just heard about them for hours). He wants to know about the spying program. [Fine, but we know, as he says, that it's felonious. So is it appropriate to "investigate" with no subpoena power or to impeach?] "There has never been a more compelling case for impeachment!" [NOW YOU'RE TALKING!!] Rocky goes on to support legislation delegitimizing signign statements (as if that were possible). He wants legislation (which would be vetoed) to criminalize an illegal attack on Iran [I kid you not].
12:10 Bob Barr going on about wide variety of grave abuses, but not so much what to do about them.
11:58 Liz Holtzman gives prima facie grounds for impeachment: systematic refusal to obey the laws, spying, torture, signing statements, misuse of executive privilege, war lies, etc... we need an impeachment inquiry to educate the public and give members of administration facing accusations a forum in which to respond.
PANEL 2 BEGINS WITH NO QandA for PANEL 1.
11:49 Republican Rep. Walter Jones, in response to signing-statement announcements of intention to violate laws, wants the public to have easy access to the signing statements and Congress to have the right to ask the White House about its criminal announcements. [Now, how does this make more sense than renaming french fries? Well, at least it points to the problem and misses the solution so wildly that even a reporter could see it.] He wants his bill passed now (as if it wouldn't be vetoed!!).
11:45 Rep. Brad Miller discussing various abuses and various so-called legislative remedies.
11:30 Rep Maurice Hinchey: president dominates entire government. He focuses on "corruption and incompetance". [Huh? what about criminality and murder?] [He's going over all the old material in way too conservative a manner and putting me to sleep.] This is th emost impeachable administration in the history of America. [Hello! I'm awake!]
11:25 Kucinich has a written statement (Can somebody get a copy?) and focuses on destructive nature of Iraq war, including impact on US economy. Statements made to justify war were false. Congress members believed the lies. Rules of House prevent me using familiar terms. (DK introduces his three resolutions for impeachment into the record and asks that members read them.) Should we honor our oaths to support and defend the Constitution? Will Congress endorse with its silence the methods used to take us into the Iraq war, one of the greatest injustices imaginable? Act now! Right a very great wrong! Hold accountable those who misled this nation! [DK spoke less than 5 minutes and avoided the I word.]
Kucinich's Remarks.
11:22 PANEL ONE BEGINS WITH KUCINICH.
11:20 Keith Ellison has written statement (Can somebody get a copy?). Congress needs to maintain its power. Impeachment is only way to do it. [Yeah!]
11:15 Rep Tammy Baldwin submitting a written statement. This is about the conduct of future presidents for generations. This is not frivolous, but no task more important than to consider whether our leaders have violated their oaths of office. Public expects no less. After all, it is their Constitution. American people and nations around the world wonder whether US is going to illegally attack Iran, whether their conversations are wiretaped, whether people are being held in sectre prisons, who authorized torture. But attempt to investigate are blocked. List of ignored subpoenas is long. True accountability is impossible. In my judgment at least two high ranking administration officials have met the standard for impeachment [meaning Bush and Cheney] - I now firmly believe we must begin impeachment hearings.
11:08 Rep Hank Johnson: action must be taken.. prevailing view has been that impeachment should be off the table...and public would not approve, but impeachment would restore life and vitality to the system of checks and balances that is the hallmark of our system of government [yeah !] if lying about consensual sexual activity fits the bill, then surely lying to the American people about the invasion of Iraq, a sovereign nation, resulting in countless Iraqi deaths, 4,000 Americans, surely that qualifies as an impeachable offense [brief loud applause]. Kidnapping, detaining, torturing, selective prosecutions, etc, etc. Should consider impeaching. [Conyers again says not to clap.]
11:06 Rep Steve Cohen, freshman from Memphis: recounts Gonzales resigning as he and Bruce Fein were drafting articles of impeachment for him. Supports this hearing.
11:02 Trent Franks just said the word Impeachment repeatedly, requesting that the word never be mentioned. Then said Terrorist, Terrorism, and Terror many many times.
10:57 Rep Sheila Jackson-Lee quoting preamble to the Constitution and defending the importance of taking up impeachment hearings, without predicting the outcome. She is concerned about war lies, torture, possibility of treason, firing of US attorneys, signing statements (and she has legislation [I kid you not!] to address that abuse).
10:51 Republican Rep Pence wants to be sure this is not about impeachment and at the same time wants to argue against impeachment. [The Republicans are putting impeachment on the table AND making themselves look like McCain-style senile fools. Pence is arguing that Bush has not done things he's publicly on record confessing to, thus opening the door to the corporate media to cover these issues - if they dare.] "There have been no high crimes and misdemeanors!" ["I am not a crook!"]
10:50 Rep Jerrold Nadler saying the offenses now are far more serious than what Clinton was impeached for.
10:45 Republican Rep Dan Lundgren is disappointed. This is impeachment light. The allegations without real impeachment. [Exactly.]
10:43 Rep Zoe Lofgren urging further investigations like today's.
10:41 Conyers says it's not an impeachment hearing, and that that could only follow a vote in the full house [of which we have ALREADY HAD THREE SUCCESSFULLY FOR THIS PRESIDENT IN RESPONSE TO RESOLUTIONS FROM KUCINICH!!!]
10:37 Republican Rep King is pointing out that "power to remove" means impeachment - and he's shocked and scandalized, and he's seen no impeachable offenses. King is voluntarily bringing up the forged Niger documents and defending the lies about attempts to purchase uranium (as if that would have justified an aggressive war if true, which it wasn't). He's claiming to have new proof and introducing it into the record without explaining it.
10:35 Rep Bobby Scott made brief remarks in support of today's hearing, but did not mention impeachment.
10:31 Conyers introduced Robert Wexler, and the audience applauded him. He's laying out the case for impeachment powerfully. Never before has an administration so diminished the powers of the legislative branch....ordered officials to refuse to testify or even appear... unprecedented ... distorted executive privilege beyond recognition ... most appropriate response is to hold hearings for impeachment [applause, and staffer reprimanding those of us applauding]. We have to seek impeachment and removal from office... Delicate balance of power eviscerated... not a Democratic or Republican issue, This is an American issue. The only option left is impeachment hearings. In 1973 articles of impeachment were introduced against Nixon after he tried to use executive privilege ... we should look more deeply into what happened... We need to begin to take our government and our country back.
Conyers reminds audience that we can make no reactions.
Wexler's full statement.
10:26 Ranking Republican Lamar Smith: We recently hosted a book of the month club. Nothing is going to come out of this for impeachment. I know it, the media knows it, the speaker knows it ... there's no evidence for impeachment. You cannot impeach a president simply because you don't like him. No evidence of any criminal wrong doing. 9% approve of Congress, making Bush look good at 32%. Americans want "bipartisanship." Smith is now reading an excerpt from the House Rules: no personally offensive language toward the president, etc...
10:19 a.m. ET Conyers is speaking quite to the point on the power of the purse and the power of impeachment (he said the power "to remove" and avoided the I word). He's mentioning politicization of Justice Dept, signing statements, detention, rendition, "possible" manipulation of intelligence, retaliation including outing of Plame, excessive secrecy. Evidence is both credible and substantial and merits direct answers from "the most senior members of the administration under oath if possible" (by which he likely means Bush and Cheney, but how does he propose to put them under oath? We will struggle with this legacy regardless of electoral outcome. Some say we've done too little too late [damn straight]. I held hearings on Downing Street Memo and Ohio elections before being chairman, and as chairman I've held more than 45 separate public hearings on these matters [to what end?]. We've sent subpoenas and pursued criminal contempt [with what outcome?]. We expect to take action against Karl Rove for refusal to comply with a subpoena [what action, when?, and will it include impeaching his former boss?] We've held investigations and passed legislation and we're not done until we achieve accountability [how, without impeachment?].
10:08 Very noisy protests ongoing in the hallway, which can be heard in the hearing room. My internet connection is shakey and I hope it holds out. Hearing has not begun. A huge number of congressional staffers are here filling up seats.
10:02 Noisy standing ovation by some 20 people when Dennis Kucinich and his wife Elizabeth and dedicated scheduler Amy Vossbrink walked in.
9:57 a.m. I'm in the back row with a power outlet and a good connection online. They let a grand total of 17 members of the public into the room. A crowd of hundreds is in the hallway shouting "Shame! Shame!" despite being offered two large overflow rooms. The 17 of us include a bunch of people with IMPEACH shirts, after we won an argument in the hallway for the right to wear them -- led by Col. (retired) Ann Wright. At least half of us (not I) are members of Vets for Peace. [18 people: Dave Lindorff got in as press]
7:48 A Capitol Police officer is here, making everyone (including disabled vets) stand, not sit, and preventing me from having my computer near a power outlet, so I'm going to turn it off and save the battery.
7:38 About 60 or 70 people are here in line. We're all impeachment advocates. We've made our own numbered tickets. Cynthia Papermaster is 1. Cindy Sheehan is 2. I'm 7. We're in the hallway outside Rayburn 2141, and nobody official has shown up yet. We don't know how many people will get in, and how many will sit in overflow rooms. By the way, it is unheard of to have or to need overflow rooms, but they will today. I'll be on Pacifica radio at 9:30. Their broadcast starts at 9:00 a.m. ET.
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