Shootouts at Starbucks

Holy Shit. I can't WAIT til they add the swinging doors and subtract that weird whatever it is from the logo.

I'm all for guns.


THIS is STUPID.
I mean.... why bother??? These guys sound like idiots.

It's unfortunate that they're getting their way.

If we get guns back I want to be able to ride horses downtown again ... and have open prostitution and the whole rest of the wild wild west.


GOOD TIMES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wouldn't doubt that starbucks is involved behindthescenes.

I consider starbucks to be a sinister DUMP.

When the new idjits in tampa feel they've A R R I V E D when a starbucks comes to their neighborhood YOU KNOW it's a fucked up deal.

Ask Randy Baron.

It was his idea.

But I don't mind slipping in the parking lot and using the INTERNET.

I DO MIND if Randy follows me in and devours things while staring at me.

ROFL.

Firemen Stalking

And, they're baaaackkkkk

all upset.

Screw them.

Did I or my family bother THEM?

NO.

They started this and like big thug babies don't know how to QUIT.


Five car wrecks today on my path. Maybe six.

DO IT.

DO IT.

DO IT.




Some motherfuckers are born crazy and some are created. Have a special look at stalked in tampa later. A murderer made the cut.

An ex fireman. I don't really know. For all I know he's still one.

Don't know.

Again, he started it.

Shooting at people.

Already committed one murder.

WHY isn't he IN JAIL????


Aak McJudge Artemus McNeil.

Kevin McGinley

The parents should be suing United Parcel Service.


A number of deaths and murders attributable to United Parcel Service.

MURDER BY UPS TRUCK

Jimmy Acline confirms it.

Dear Colin Breen co

Another in your stream of endless whores. Wow. Yawn. Wouldn't do to have that breen name tied to YET ANOTHER YBOR CLUB murder. Specially with your wifey spending allllllllllllll that time dragging him to clubs because she likes that he's naive. Oh and the roadshows don't work on me. Because ummmm I'm not stupid.
Imagine that: Your big plan is to ..... get your daughter pregnant and steal someone's property.

There's an interesting video you will want to watch concerning this matter.

That should probably say ENLDESS stream of whores.

Whatever.

That's like TWENTY WHORES attributable to your wife and daughter.

Want to know where my strength lies???

Timelines.

Every action stems from love or fear.


Yours are from fear.

You just chose the wrong thing to be afraid of.


That little trip through handcuffs set you off down the wrong path.

Signs of weakness.

But you've scratched your way somewhere.

Congratulations.


Enjoy your bedmates.

ROFL.

Everything bout to take an interesting spinnerooney.

What kind of man seeks to get his DAUGHTER PREGNANT to steal property??????????


L M F A O.

For the record: That property has been long sold. FOR THE LAST TIME. Also ..... there will be folks by the DOZENS in line in front.

Happy murdering !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





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The City of Tampa and it's assorted city-sanctioned gang members need this property because it's in the middle of land they intend to develop for gambling facilities.
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Maybe they should let the poor whale GO HOME

For god's sake.

How horrible for everyone.....


Whale playing or angry ...

results in woman's death.

LET THE WHALE GO HOME.

And, I'm VERY sorry for the loss of your beloved family member. Thank god she was doing something she loved. SO sorry

qtip and P66 2FB

That pussy Keller is recruiting more folks to stalk my family. This is highly illegal.

When will someone arrest his ass?????????????????????

Dear Colin Breen-co

This is the ninth documented illness your freaky wife has suggested that my family member might have.

Isn't she satisfied with drugging and poisoning him???????????????????????


Not to mention the countless rides to doctors (all documented) endless conversations about neck problems (all documented) and the rest of it (all documented and recorded) when the relationship was young.


She's just not that good.

Bad choices.


Anyway, does she suffer from that syndrome the proxy whereby mothers get off on the suffering of their child?? The attention thingy??

I would get that due to the amount of time she spends fucking with other peoples' FAMILY members.

What's up with the fucking rocking???


Maybe you should spend more time observing your wayward by direction lil family of soldiers for the Irish Republican Army Tampa and less time plotting the fucking overs and car wrecks with Oneill and forman.

Just sayin ..................................

That disbarment. ROFLCOPTER.


name poppin up everywhere.

Does he know margaret lange????????????????????????????????

RIchard Scott Rodriguez, Mumford, Keller and 928 KNB

(update below)GEez, guys, isn't that UNCOMFORTABLY close to 676 KNB which interchanges it's tag with it's girlfriend and the fat stalking nephew of Tampa fireman Spence Roberts, bosom of the murderer Scott Louis Gonzalez??? And, like before A BIG GAP in your calls as you figure how to call them.


Faked a car wreck or something outside Jose Tome's mansion just a minute ago. They figure, why waste a WHOLE SUNDAY???????

This is a threat .... these people are such gnarly motherfuckers it's hard to believe they exist. BUT, these same cocksuckers once car-wrecked someone I love on the way to the holy place... so we go WAY back .... keller, if you keep fucking around with me I swear to GOD I'm going to take that lesbian porn cd that was HANDED TO A CHILD and have my bud at the FBI stick it up his ass.

You feelin me?

Now leave me the fuck alone you qtip, asshole licking motherfucker. I'm busy.

And go fuck yourself you faggot simpleton.

You lost. FUCKING LEARN TO DEAL WITH IT.

And, Christine ... you close, whore. You close to fuckin with me. LOL. BUT you don't have any idea how close or far so ... drop dead on that on your knees for life.

Next time I won't hang up.

You be on the hook, there.

Same direction as lesbian porn man.

So, better surround me with a cushion of love.

Cause I'll be driving my motherfuckin car all ova da place SAFELY just as I have for years and years. I'm a proven driver. I can take bottle green piece of shit from two years ago straight back to you, too.

Just for the record.

I am not without resources.

So, knock yourselves out.

Hire me as a consultant. Next time you hit a wall I'll show you how to climb it.

Fucking moronic savages.


UPDATE: Three ways you tap this as fake. Your idiots were out talking to your fellow drug dealer (LMFAO) b. all that gang shit and not one representing .... c. no noise on the video. Even the most minor MINOR fender bender makes a lil noise-ish. All we got is a dog barking and now a helicopter. His faggot ass had to sit out there ten minutes waiting for me. Dear biker scum: When I say faggot please realize I mean YOU.

All of this goes straight back to Colin Breen (father of the year) and Robart ONeill all pisshedd cause he got wopped out of the running for AUSA. Please. like it's my fault you fucked some bimbo who criminalizes with you.

Christine, you know how you like to surprise me?? LOL. I have a big, huge, MAJOR surprise for you. Wait for it. I read the script. You lose.

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Go fuck your fascist selves !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Pinellas State Attorney Bernie McCabe 'dumbfounded' by prosecutor's action in domestic violence case
By Curtis Krueger, Times Staff Writer Posted: Feb 18, 2010 07:22 PM
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(bernie, that dumbfounded shit is over) GO AWAY.

Pinellas County's top prosecutor said Thursday he is "dumbfounded'' at the way his office handled the case of Craig Wall, accused of fatally stabbing his girlfriend after being released on $1,000 bail in a domestic violence case.
Bernie McCabe, state attorney for Pinellas and Pasco counties, said his staff needs to be reminded of fundamental principles that were not followed in this case.
He said his chief assistant, Bruce Bartlett, plans to meet today with prosecutors who handle misdemeanor hearings.
"They are being paid to be advocates and not just stand there with their hands in their pockets,'' McCabe said.
Wall is accused of stabbing to death Laura Taft, 29, early Wednesday morning after kicking in the sliding glass door of her apartment. He was arrested hours later in Sumter County, where he was passed out in the driver's seat of a red four-door car.
Two days earlier, Wall was released from the Pinellas County Jail on a $1,000 bond in a domestic violence hearing. No one at the hearing mentioned that Wall was a suspect in the death of his 5-week-old son earlier this month, even though policed had noted that fact in the arrest affidavit. They also failed to point out that Wall had spent 14 years in prison on charges related to an armed robbery.
"I think the judge should have been made aware of these other factors,'' McCabe said Thursday in his first public comments on the case.
Taft's sister-in-law, Nicole Bredeson, 26, was more direct.
"In my opinion that is a fatal error,'' she said. "My sister's life was worth more than $1,000 dollars. I think just about anybody can see how wrong that decision was.''
The domestic violence case stems from Wall's arrest Feb. 14 on a charge that he violated an injunction Taft took out against him because, she said, she feared for her life.
On Sunday, Wall showed up at a memorial service for his 5-week-old son. Taft said he drove through the parking lot and "flipped her off.'' He was arrested and initially held without bail.
The next morning, he came to his "first appearance" hearing, where judges inquire about the case and determine if there is sufficient "probable cause" to continue holding a defendant in jail; and sometimes modify their bail amount.
McCabe and Bartlett cited three problems with how an assistant state attorney handled the case during this hearing. First, he offered to settle the case during this initial hearing without spending more time to gather more facts. Second, he failed to bring up Wall's criminal record. Third, he did not mention that Wall was considered a suspect in the death of his own child.
"What kind of stunned me about the whole thing," McCabe said, was that the prosecutor offered the plea deal to Wall. That was not the right thing to do in a first court appearance in a domestic violence-related case, McCabe said, because the hearing happens within 24 hours of an arrest, typically before a prosecutor has done much research about the case and has had a good interview with the victim.
"You want to gather all the facts" before making an offer, Bartlett said.
McCabe said a plea arrangement in a first appearance hearing would have been acceptable in a minor shoplifting case, for example, but not in a case with a potential victim of domestic violence.
The assistant stat attorney, James Flynn, suggested a deal in which Wall would have been found guilty of the charge, paid $650 and agreed to have no contact with Taft.
But Wall rejected the offer, saying to Circuit Judge George Jirotka, "No, sir, I didn't do anything wrong, sir."
Because Wall rejected the offer, the next matter was to discuss whether to set bail. He had been held overnight without bail because it was a domestic violence-related case. So next the lawyers discussed whether Wall could be released on bond.
The prosecutor, Flynn, suggested a $2,500 bond — high for a misdemeanor case. The public defender asked for a $500 bond. Jirotka set it at $1,000.
But Flynn did not mention that Wall, 34, was released from prison in September 2008 after serving 14 years for a 1993 robbery with a deadly weapon, armed burglary and grand theft auto.
The prosecutor's records included notes on this prior record, officials said, but he didn't bring them up during the hearing.
Wall's arrest affidavit also said he "was suspected of being the one responsible for the infant's death."
This was a reference to an ongoing investigation. Clearwater police say the baby was in Wall's care on Feb. 5 at a Clearwater apartment when the boy went into cardiac arrest and was taken to All Children's Hospital in St. Petersburg. Craig Wall Jr. was removed from life support and died the next morning.
The prosecutor didn't bring this up either.
"I think the judge should have been made aware of these other factors," McCabe said.
McCabe said he would communicate strongly to his staff the need to address these fundamental issues in court hearings.
But he also added that, "One of the hardest things to train is common sense. To me this whole thing smacks of a lack of common sense."
Bartlett said he would remind attorneys of the need to be vigilant.
"It's our worst nightmare for something like this to happen," he said. "The judges, the prosecutors all live in fear of somebody going out and doing something like this."
Times staff writer Rita Farlow contributed to this report.[Last modified: Feb 18, 2010 07:39 PM]
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Boppy wrote:
I'm sure Prosecutor Flynn isn't feeling too good right now. He'll live with blood on his hands for the rest of his life. That's punishment in and of itself. I don't know what kind of prosecutor Mr. Flynn is. He made a grave error in this case. Does he deserve to be fired? I'm not so sure.
Feb 18th, 2010 6:36 PM
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lillapoyka wrote:
Hey Bernie, You're the boss
Feb 18th, 2010 6:32 PM
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EricfromValrico wrote:
LisaH, actually assault and battery is one charge they can give you for punching someone you don't know. Most of the time if you throw a punch in a barfight, you are charged with misdemeanor assault. If you punch someone in a barfight, and you knock their teeth out or cause relatively serious bodily harm, then you are charged with felony assault and battery. It is funny because the argument against making domestic cases a felony is that if you punch a stranger, it is a misdemeanor, but if you punched your wife, it would be a felony. They argue that it should be no different. Are the two crimes different and is domestic worse?
I say, yes. Yes, it is a more serious crime to punch your wife than it is some drunk at a bar. The reason is that most barfights don't escalate to homicide at a later date. I think it should be a felony.
Feb 18th, 2010 6:29 PM
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babygirl wrote:
First of all i think if that would have been a doctor or a cop that would have been killed those people would have looked at everything from the time the killer was born untile up to date.To see what history they have but i guess since that poor baby and the young helpless mother didnt get the kind of respect she would have gotten had she been a lawyer or a cop or a doctor but since she was they didnt feel they needed to do their jobs the rite way.I feel the people that missed the important facts of his history should be fired and recieve jail time for their sorry part in not helping her and i hope they dont get the chance to ruin someone elses life.To the girls family i am so sorry for ur lose.I to know what it feels like for the state not to give a crap thats how they was when my father was killed no investigastion and they said the case was close so i hope u guys get a really great attorney and get every penny they have and make it where they cant hurt anyone else god bless you
Feb 18th, 2010 6:26 PM
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petunia wrote:
Normally I would agree that the judge is to blame in a case like this, after all, he is the one who makes the final decision. However, this prosecutor never uttered a word about this guy's prior record. If the prosecutor is offering to dump the case and let the guy out of jail that day in exchange for $650 and his "good word" not to have contact with the victim, then what would alert the judge that a $1000 bond is inappropriate? Nothing. It is the prosecutor's job to make the Judge aware of the circumstances surrounding each case. Flynn's failure to speak up and warn the judge about this guy's prior record and the fact that he is currently under investigation for murdering his own child is just unacceptable. I hope his office finds it inexcusable. Lack of common sense is right.
Feb 18th, 2010 6:21 PM
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My2Sense wrote:
I understand that the Prosecutor's office probably does not have the most intelligent of attorneys working for them but they still graduated from LAW SCHOOL, right??? OMG this James Flynn has notes indicating he spent 14 years in prison and was the possible killer of his own child but FAILS to even mention this little tidbit? W O W ! This prosecutor was lazy and incompetent and helped cost this woman her life. Training for him does not bring back this woman back to life. Fire him before he does more damage to the citizens paying his salary!
Feb 18th, 2010 6:07 PM
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jlcrystalbeach wrote:
GREAT JOB BERNIE! YOUR OFFICE WOULD RATHER PROSECUTE NON VIOLENT MARIJUANA OFFENDERS THAN PEOPLE LIKE THIS DIRTBAG? KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
Feb 18th, 2010 5:58 PM
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gurleigurl wrote:
OMG!!!! This is such BS. WTF is wrong with the judge??? Laura was a good friend of mine. ARRGGHH!!! If he were still in jail this would never have happened. RIP Laura, now you can be with your baby!!
Feb 18th, 2010 5:56 PM
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toc92choc wrote:
Fire James Flynn - incompetent, derelict of dutyFire Bruce Bartlett - failure to supervise and properly direct his staff. Hey Bruce - you will "remind" staff to be vigilant. They need reminders for something so basic? Really?And the judge - we need a Courtwatch to monitor his disposition of important cases. While he was not given key (available) info, he also did not seem to ask some obvious questions. Finally, how would any of these men feel if their family members had been so needlessly exposed to such a clear menace?
Feb 18th, 2010 5:55 PM
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jlcrystalbeach wrote:
GREAT JOB BERNIE MCCABE!!!!!!! IF YOU WERE NOT WASTING YOUR TIME PROSECUTING NON VIOLENT MARIJUANA OFFENERS, MAYBE THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED???????
Feb 18th, 2010 5:54 PM
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tash wrote:
Marleyfan78 -- perhaps you would have been better off if you just never commented ever. nothing bernie mccabe says leaves them WIDE OPEN for lawsuit because they are IMMUNE FROM BEING SUED. despite this, or perhaps defiantly because of this, you will never see him pointing the finger at himself nor accepting any share of the responsibility for any criticism directed at his office
Feb 18th, 2010 5:47 PM
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LisaH wrote:
How the %^@# can Domestic Violence be considered a misdemeanor when Assault & Battery is a felony?! It's OK to hit your wife but not a stranger? Here's a slap on the wrist, pay your fine on the way out.
Feb 18th, 2010 5:41 PM
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luvstpete wrote:
I hope Mr. Flynn is a new member of the unemployed. I also hope that not a day goes by for the rest of his life, without his thinking of what not doing his job properly, cost the young woman and her family.
Feb 18th, 2010 5:35 PM
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Joe Joe wrote:
And oh, I'm sorry, "dumbfounded"? No, you are just plain DUMB.
Feb 18th, 2010 5:33 PM
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Marleyfan78 wrote:
This article moved me to comment (first timer). Say what you want about government, and who is guilty, made bad judgment...I gotta hand it to Bernie McCabe for putting this statement out there. You realize this leaves them WIDE OPEN for lawsuit and culpable negligence and going on record stating the wrongdoings directly of the SA's office, good for him. He found out something wrong went down and he made a public announcement. Judges can only go based on the facts presented them. McCabe did a fine job for standing up for what was right and I hope Ms. Taft's family follows through with a wrongful death suit against the State of Florida. But, not shifting of blame will bring her back, so let's just expedite Wall's sentence. Good job McCabe for speaking up.
Feb 18th, 2010 5:33 PM
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Joe Joe wrote:
McCabe, "your staff needs to be reminded of fundamental principles that were not followed". No, you idiot, they need to be indicted as co-defendents along with you in a murder trial. My god, if this was my daughter, you and your staff would already have paid.
Feb 18th, 2010 5:30 PM
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tash wrote:
"It's our worst nightmare for something like this to happen," Bartlett said. "The judges, the prosecutors all live in fear of somebody going out and doing something like this................ and GETTING IT PRINTED IN THE NEWSPAPER AND EMBARRASSING US!" I wonder how much of a nightmare it would be if it could somehow have been swept under the rug? Also, to hang young Mr. Flynn out to dry after your flawed chain of command sets him up to fail smacks of cowardice Mr. McCabe. I wonder if you know or have even met any of your misdemeanor prosecutors? Perhaps if you actually appeared in court from time to time....
Feb 18th, 2010 5:30 PM
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GoMets wrote:
The reality is that judges and prosecutors see a tremendous number of people every single day. If they no bonded every one who they thought might reoffend we would have to build 6 new county jails. They don't have a crystal ball and every one of them goes to sleep every night wondering if they made the right call. No one can protect you except you. The police won't make it in time to save you. If you choose to marry or date a burglar, thief, rapist, car thief etc who has spent time in prison, chances are he'll also disrespect you, just like he disrespected society in general. Personal responsibility and common sense cannot be taught. You either have it or you don't. Bernie, don't hang this young atty out to dry. He did what he could with the tools, resources and caseload given to him based on the budget.
Feb 18th, 2010 5:29 PM
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A thinking person wrote:
Don't tell me the Judge knew nothing about what was going on. Wall said in open court to the Judge his son died and he was just in the parking lot !! The Judge didn't hear that or even question it? Was he sleeping? Sorry , We know who is at fault..It seems they only push around the innocent and thats usually who gets screwed while crazy ex cons get out with a hundred dollar bill and then kill!!!! DAs office is a bad joke, Always looking for convictions and never the truth..The lets make a deal office...
Feb 18th, 2010 5:08 PM
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bugnout wrote:
Does anyone truly expect less than this from government?
Feb 18th, 2010 5:00 PM
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stetlawyer wrote:
When will anyone realize that DVI's are just feelgood, worthless documents..as are "no contact" orders...too much money is wasted on Domestic Violence court in Florida..."oh my, God forbid I pick up a misdemeanor violation of DV charge...to go along with the murder charge!" A better solution must be found, unfortunately, I don't know what it is.
Feb 18th, 2010 5:00 PM
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EricfromValrico wrote:
I hope that a ghostly form of Laura Taft haunts the judge until his dying day. If there is one person who deserves blame beside Mr. Wall, it is the judge. I hope he sleeps well knowing that his incompetence cost a citizen their life. I thought a judge's sworn duty was to enforce the law and protect us from scum like this; I guess now it's different. I guess now it's lock up the potheads and let the wifebeaters, pedophiles, and rapists loose. Great job, judge. I hope you rot in hell with Wall. You had the power to stop it, but you were too busy making sure your stupid robe fit right or worrying about getting to Palma Ceia Country Club in time for the early bird special. George Jirotka, you make me sick.
Feb 18th, 2010 4:56 PM
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ididso wrote:
A typical example of these guys not doing thgeir jobs and just going through the motions to move cases along.
The buck stops with McCabe.
Feb 18th, 2010 4:53 PM
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michaela70 wrote:
This whole case is unfortunate. This county has no desire to hold criminal abusers accountable, rather they want "convictions". Domestic violence cases are notoriously difficult to "win", but instead of working harder to get a conviction, these cases get little attention.
This case is so unfortunate that it resulted in death. McCabe is responsible for the actions of his department. Rather than "just stand there with his hands in his pockets" and claim "dumbfoundedness" he should RESIGN. If he doesn't, he should be REMOVED.
Feb 18th, 2010 4:48 PM
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lanienus wrote:
The person totally responsible for this crime is the man who did it. Too east to blame others for wacko people like this guy.Just keep him locked up to protect society.
Feb 18th, 2010 4:46 PM
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EdRingwald wrote:
What should have really happened when Craig Wall was arrested for violation of a domestic violence restraining order was no bond until trial. Instead, the judge releases Craig Wall on a $1,000 bond - that's easy money, considering the fact that a bail bondsman usually requires 10% of the bond. 10% of $1,000 = $100!
Moreover, the judge should have known better before releasing Craig Wall on $1,000 bond - the judge should have known Craig's prior record. Instead, Craig Wall is released on bond.
Instead, not only one but two needless lives were lost to domestic violence. What is wrong with society anymore?
Feb 18th, 2010 4:43 PM
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GN wrote:
Hey Bernie, to little to late. Just more goverment stooges that care less about the people they are supposed to repersent, us the taxpayers, the same people that sign your over inflated pay checks.
Feb 18th, 2010 4:43 PM
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voxyqt wrote:
I had nooo idea that Judge Artmeus McNeil also prosecuted in Pinellas. He will NOT give restraining orders despite the fact that people SHOT AT other people. That, apparently, is a-ok. I'm sorry for the loss of your daughter, beloved friend and family member and a little boy's mama. There's going to be more bodies piled up if we don't get these crackpots out of power. Why is a male judge hearing female abuse cases in the first place? Not that it would make a difference in Hillsborough where the DOM. VIOL. advocate ms. lainge or lange is also on the side of the abuse. and this is no lie. She actually said there was TOO MUCH. TOO MUCH?????????????????? Like the stripper somewhere else in fl. 72 pages. Gee I'm sorry you're not up to reading that much. Go home and give your job to someone else who can handle it. PEOPLE ARE DYING ....

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Almost all of you are guilty of that.

Hiding behind dead heroes' capes to terrorize women and children.

Why not be MEN about it???

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WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. (AP) -- Former New York City police Commissioner Bernard Kerik, who was hailed as a hero alongside former Mayor Rudy Giuliani after the Sept. 11 terror attacks and nearly became chief of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, was sentenced to four years behind bars Thursday for eight felonies.

Kerik admitted in November that he lied to the White House, filed false taxes and committed other crimes.

''The fact that Mr. Kerik would use that event (9/11) for personal gain and aggrandizement is a dark place in the soul for me,'' said federal Judge Stephen Robinson.

An apologetic Kerik said before the sentence was pronounced: ''Allow me to return to my wife and two little girls as soon as possible.''

Federal guidelines indicated Kerik's sentence should be between 27 and 33 months in prison. Robinson said he went beyond the guidelines because they could not account for certain factors.

Kerik was ''the chief law enforcement law enforcement officer for the biggest and grandest city this nation has,'' Robinson said. The crimes were committed ''in the process of attempting to become a cabinet level position in the government of the United States.''

Kerik, 54, has already been ordered to pay $188,000 in restitution and to pay past-due taxes and penalties on six years of tax returns.

Just before pleading guilty, Kerik spent three weeks in the Westchester County Jail for releasing secret pretrial information. While there, he was voluntarily admitted to the psychiatric ward for observation because of stress. Doctors concluded he did not need mental care.

After admitting his crimes, Kerik was freed pending sentencing. He had to post a $1.5 million bond, wear an electronic monitor and generally stay inside his home in Franklin Lakes, N.J.

In presentencing memos to the judge, the defense and prosecution painted sharply different portraits of Kerik.

The defense spoke of his bleak upbringing, his steely leadership after the terror attacks, his remorse and the debt he has incurred to defend himself. It supplied letters of support from his son, fellow police officers, a priest and a man who lost two sons on Sept. 11.


There was no letter from Giuliani.

Will rudy the rictus be headed for a barred outing SOONEST???

Then O'NEILL THEN OBER. Or in any order

Look the scumbag just wants to get back to his sub. mommy and his chirrun.

whatever, loser.

Poor kids.


My biggest feeling is that we can do better than this as a society.

we just take turns putting each other in prison.

It's like the lawyers are all planning it.

(NOT ALL OF THEM)

Scumbag firemen enriching themselves from the bush reichstaag. You've had PLENTY of help.

Hang on. I hear the fucking piper calling for you ....

keller the loser qtip

rofl.

keller ... you trying to take credit for the car-wreckings? All the sudden your saltine box dump starting to look like rex davis' place on a good day. (remember how close I am to rex /)

Anyway I wanted to tell you that the day your skanky, losing, scrawny ass scares me into doing something will be the day I take my pubic hair back to the factory.

Yknow?

..... Once ONeill and Ober get their Lookedoo what I foundcriminal asses up out of here guess where you'll BE????
Maybe sooner.

ROFL

Tell Tony that only God and I can judge him.

fuckhead qtip looking asshole licking loser.

you disgust me.

Dear Colin Breen

2 acid bombs set off at Clearwater Beach restaurants
By Rita Farlow, Times Staff Writer Posted: Feb 16, 2010 12:14 PM
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CLEARWATER BEACH — Clearwater police are trying to find who is responsible for setting off two homemade acid bombs at two beach restaurants on Monday.
First, a small acid bomb exploded in a garbage can at the entrance to Frenchy's Rockaway Grill, 7 Rockaway St.
A short time later, a similar device exploded underneath the deck of Palm Pavilion Restaurant at 10 Bay Esplanade Ave. Several people were sitting on the deck when the device exploded, Clearwater police said.
No injuries were reported in the incidents, which happened between 4:30 and 5:30 p.m. But detectives are concerned because the devices were located in public places, said Clearwater police spokeswoman Beth Watts.
Clearwater police ask anyone with information to call the department's tip line at (727) 562-4422. Or, to remain anonymous, call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-873-8477. Tips can also be submitted online at www.crimestoppersofpinellas.org, or by texting TIP144 and a message to 274637.[Last modified: Feb 16, 2010 12:14 PM]
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itismoi wrote:
With all the financial trouble the beach restaurants are in due to not only the economy but also the cold weather I certainly hope this does not affect them even more negatively in the way of proceeds.
Feb 16th, 2010 12:12 PM
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abby1 wrote:
I consider this to be a terrorist attack. When the suspects are caught they should not be given any preferential treatment. I speculate that the suspects might be teenagers. If they are teenagers, the judge will probably go easy on them, particularly if they are from a wealthy family. Regardless, of who committed the attacks, they should be treated as terrorists.
Feb 16th, 2010 12:11 PM
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The Irish Republican Army Tampa likes those explosion thingys and they like stealing restaurants and property. You can find them at the Platt St location. You can find them at the United State's Attorney's Office and you can find them at the IAD Tampa Police (Bautiste) Never heard of anything like this before they slithered to power. It's my opinion and some facts. Why was it deleted?
Feb 16th, 2010 11:43 AM
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seneca77 wrote:
Shouldn't the suspect(s), if found, be held incommunicado as enemy combatants? I mean, we're in the middle of a "war on terror", right? I sure hope we don't offer them a trial or other benefits that come from the rule of law. Maybe some waterboarding or other "enhanced interrogation techniques" will lead us to their handlers and ultimate motive.
Feb 16th, 2010 11:43 AM
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The Ultimate Authority wrote:
When they find whomever set these bombs off, they need to drop the hammer on them in a big way -- I would be gunning for at least 15 years minimum, with no early release.
This crime is DEFINITELY something you don't want repeated, and the message needs to be loud and clear.
Feb 16th, 2010 11:08 AM
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Judge Pomponio and Stephen Baxley

You might remember Stephen Michael Baxley as being the buddy of the Tampa Fireman's nephew who pointed a gun at a pizzaman after choking his 'girlfriend' and some other unsavory stuff.

He's a very distinctive lookin thang who then moved adjacent to my family member which we considered direct intimidation. Considering they had never seen him before, he points a gun at soeone and then becomes a neighbor/SWINE WHO LIVE NEARBY. (all this in keeping with the times 'of michael keller and jose tome'.

TAMPA, FL - PJ's driver beaten robbed vacant house

A pizza delivery driver was beaten and robbed at gunpoint after he was lured to a vacant house just after midnight today, police said.

About 12:30 a.m., police said, Stephen Michael Baxley, 21, 8507 Mitchell Ave. N, called Papa John's Pizza and ordered a delivery to 8505 N Lamar St., a vacant house.

When the driver, 22-year-old Nick Grande, walked up the driveway with the pizza, two people jumped out of the hedges and pointed a gun at him, demanding money, police said. They also hit him, kicked him and forced him to the ground, police said.

Grande's wallet was taken but dropped when a neighbor looked out the window, police said. Both robbers fled with money.

Officers and police dogs surrounded the area. Witnesses directed police to Baxley at a nearby address, and a warrant is now issued for the second man. His name will not be released until he's arrested, said police spokeswoman Janelle McGregor.

Baxley was charged with armed robbery and taken to the Hillsborough County Jail, where he remains without bail.

Grande had minor injuries and declined medical attention.

Baxley has been arrested before in Hillsborough County — in May he was charged with domestic battery by strangulation, and in October 2006 he was arrested on four drug-related charges.

THAT GUY. *coming link to arrest

Now, Pomponio has the case. You know, the same one with the case of Humberto Delgado HITMAN MURDERER of Officer Mike Roberts, TPD.

The rub is that Stephen Michael Baxley is part of the gang that was involved in the hit and runs which Officer Mike Roberts was going to be investigating. HE doesn't even have a car but nonetheless he travels with ALL OF THEM.

She's already thrown out the gun charges and I'm not seeing a co-defendant which means that one of them has gotten away with it entirely (there has NEVER been a co-defendant) and one of them will get probation.

That's AFTER He has wandered around for almost an ENTIRE YEAR by the time he gets sentenced.

Someone holds you up with a gun.

That's suppposed to be part of the 10-20-LIFE but Mr. Baxley must be one of those special circumstances. His 24 hour lifestyle sure suggests it.

Attorneys and yknow the poopy old Florida Statutes say you qualify for up to fifteen years for the second degree felony robbery NOW sans firearm.

I've got money on him getting probation like his buddy, the murdering Tampa FIreman's nephew.

Dear Colin Breen

What kind of man has his sixteen year old daughter sleeping with boys right under his own roof???

Maybe the kind of man who would murder that boy's mother.

And has murdered others in the past.

Maybe the kind of man whose wife lives in a fantasy world and is too busy manipulating children to be a REAL person.

Is that the kind of man you are?

Do they know that in Boston??

Your wife and daughter are BACK IN OVERDRIVE.

What must your sick agenda be??

How sad.

I heard booby is out of the running for United States Attorney, Middle District.

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Maybe he'll have to just become a bagman like he does behind closed doors.

I'm gonna be the one to let the world know what you've done ....................

I'm watching your wife and daughter trying to put his life in a box.

Luckily I have most of what the cunt said on video.

It doesn't add up to a good thang for you and the bobbster.

I'm sure your investors won't mind.

What if I start marching up and down in front of your .... place of business with a sign announcing what you are?????

Will your fucking asshole cops stop giving out bogus tickets and all crash into each other trying to see what the sign says???

Do not put it past me.

And then laugh into a reporter's notebook about how you're going to kill someone.

Too late for that, huh???

Dear Pam Iorio

Look, another love letter to Pam Iorio's WATER DEPARTMENT


Tampa Bay Water gets $31 million for reaching milestones
By Richard Danielson, Times Staff Writer Posted: Feb 15, 2010 09:35 AM
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CLEARWATER —
Tampa Bay Water's desalinization plant has hit two major milestones and will get a big financial reward in return. The plant has pumped an average of 20 million gallons of water a day for 12 months and has averaged 25 million gallons water a day for four consecutive months, officials said Monday.
As a result, Tampa Bay Water stands to receive $31.25 million (including interest) from the Southwest Florida Water Management District (SWFMUD). SWFMUD had pledged $85 million to help pay to build the plant but a quarter of the money had been held back until the plant achieved these performance benchmarks.
"The milestones are a very big step for Tampa Bay Water," said General Manager Gerald Seeber.

windowsugar wrote:
uncle ruckus, tell that to the pigs at city of tampa water who purposely taint the water to CERTAIN HOMES and THE JAIL from what I was told by a source. AND to low income properties. Also talk to the meth manufacturers. HOW MUCH WATER DO THEY USE and how much water is tainted by their dumping the leftover toxins???? RED TIDE MY ●●●.
Feb 15th, 2010 8:19 AM
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ThePunk wrote:
So, my bill is going down by how much now?
Feb 15th, 2010 7:51 AM
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imapopulistnow wrote:
This is something else. Two bureaucracies are playing with our money. Why do we let this happen to ourselves? Government has run a muck. It is time for a major overhaul.
Feb 15th, 2010 7:39 AM
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Reality wrote:
I wish the Times, and the media in general, would stop making misleading statements like “Tampa Bay Water stands to receive $31.25 million (including interest) from the Southwest Florida Water Management District (SWFMUD).” – SWFWMD is not some obscure third party with a giving heart... neither is “The State” or “The Federal” Government. What TBW is getting is $31.25 million from “taxpayers”... apparently for meeting a “promise” – you call it a “milestone” - years behind schedule and at a cost to taxpayers of twice what was originally promised. Welcome to the NEW America; whereby even if you fail to honor your timeline to build something we don’t need, fail to meet your objectives as promised, and cost taxpayers twice as much as promised... you still get praised and paid off at taxpayer expense. Only in American politics and the NFL can management completely suck, yet get to keep their job. Like I’ve always said; there is no water shortage, only water politics.
Feb 15th, 2010 7:33 AM
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uncle ruckus rocks wrote:
good for them. i worked out there very briefly, but there are good people in maintenance and doing the day to day heavy lifting there. they care and are trying to make it run like it should...living in Florida, desalination is an absolute must. matter of factly it is going to need to be a global solution for the number of people we have on earth, to all have fresh water. you think wars over oil are bad, imagine a war over a dwindling supply of fresh water, not something we want for convenience, something we must have to live. potable water is a good thing and i'm glad we're getting in on the ground level here in tampa bay.
Feb 15th, 2010 7:28 AM
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windowsugar wrote:
Is this a FRIGGING JOKE?????????????????????????????
Feb 15th, 2010 7:14 AM

how bad it hurts is a question like how high is up

a gambler pays his dues .....


a gambler pays his debts .....

and you can then go fuck yourself(ves)

Biden Cheney Sparring over shit

It makes NO SENSE whatsoever for Biden to be giving Cheney the time of day.

So, that means it's the usual agenda afoot.

Keep the talk of terrorists (real and imagined) in the forefront.

Quake, folks, QUAKE.


Cheney: SHUT THE FUCK UP.

We'd rather not be reminded that you exist, you failure as a human being.

Biden?

WTF???????

Be the best Vice President EVER.

And stop talking to THE BIG DICK .

It's demeaning and beneath you.

Firefighters as Spies

From where I'm sitting this is not a job but a PERSONAL VOCATION for these freaks.




They should all become probation officers and watch people piss for a living.

That houses burn around us and explode fifty feet away (Cherryl Marshall)SIDE BUSINESSES (they all have one or two or three or more) and folks die in fires aka meth labs should come as no surprise. They ain't got time for that in between drive bys, intimidations and spying.

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Firefighters as spies truly over the top
by Bob Barr
special to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Wednesday, December 12, 2007 at 9:00 AM


The image of the friendly firefighter helping rescue a wayward kitten from a tree might need updating. If the federal Department of Homeland Security has its way, firefighters across the country will be armed not only with firefighting equipment, but also issued training materials on how to recognize suspect behavior on the part of citizens and what to look for in peoples' homes that might be "suspicious." In other words, firefighters would become domestic spies. In fact, such training already has begun.

Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, in a recent speech to the country's fire chiefs, reminded his audience that in the government's view, a fire or any natural disaster should be seen as no different from a terrorist act. The secretary noted that among the billions of taxpayer dollars that had been distributed to fire departments since the Sept. 11 attacks, were significant sums to develop "fusion centers" in the various states (including Georgia). These strangely named "fusion centers" (officially, "Counter Terrorism Information Centers") already include firefighters. Chertoff did not in his public remarks to the fire chiefs explicitly mention training firefighters to spot "suspicious" activity or items as among the training they do or should receive, but recent news stories are detailing the troubling manner in which the feds are doing just this.

As usual, New York City — training ground for public officials such as former mayor Rudy Giuliani and current mayor Michael Bloomberg who apparently consider surveillance the Holy Grail of modern government — is leading the way. Fire chiefs in the Big Apple, for example, already have been granted federal security clearances to further this "integration" of firefighters into the homeland security. According to published accounts of such training, firefighters are being trained to watch for "hostile" or "uncooperative" individuals, or those "expressing discontent" with our government. They are also trained to watch for and report on things that "seem out of place" in a home or business such as firearms and video recording equipment. Rooms with "little or no furniture" fall within the reportable suspicious activity.

This latest Homeland Security program smacks of the previously discredited "TIPS" (short for Terrorism Information and Prevention System) started shortly after Sept. 11. TIPS was designed to enlist a broad swath of workers in America — meter readers, postal workers, cleaning personnel and others — to report "suspicious" activity to the federal government. Under pressure from many in the Congress and the private sector, the TIPS program supposedly was ended some four years ago, but this latest firefighter spying program makes clear the government has not lost its appetite to continue the effort.

What makes the latest effort to bring firefighters within the ambit of government-sanctioned domestic spying especially insidious, is the fact that when a firefighter responds to an emergency or conducts a regulatory inspection, they do not require a warrant in order to enter a home or business and look around for "suspicious" items, people or behavior. This freedom greatly facilitates the power of the government to gather evidence on the citizenry.

With more than 1 million paid and volunteer firefighters active across America, and with those men and women responding to millions of calls and dispatches annually, one can perhaps readily understand why the feds are eager to enlist the firefighting profession in its spying. Some states, such as New York and Arizona (whose terrorism "fusion" center recently issued an alert concluding that the purchase of prepaid cell phone cards may be "suspicious"), are aggressively supportive of the effort. Others apparently prefer to remain quiet about the integration of firefighters into any cadre of domestic spies.

Philosophical and legal worries aside, some experts are concerned that not only will using firefighters in this manner make the public more hesitant to call on them for assistance, but that it may also dilute the ability of these critically important public servants to carry out their real mission, which is not spying but saving lives. For Georgia, with a fire death rate nearly 50 percent higher than the national average, such concerns are very relevant.

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cat shit crazy professor

UPDATE: She didn't do it.
She didn't have the gun. It didn't happen. They're all still alive.
That couldn't have happened.
She's trying the calm denial defense.

Sorry, but she even LOOKS crazier than a loon.

Okay, you have ONE accident with a gun. NOT SEVEN.

Amy Bishop "accidentally" shot her brother in 1996.

Maybe she thought that "highly emotional state" would help her again.

Wow.

Amy Bishop, quadruple murderess.

Way to use your education.

And, killing a musician should be a HATE CRIME.

A Murderer in the Family

Some people in Tampa get more than one. BUT, it's a huge source of pride to have a murderer in your family, apparently.
Be he a blatant murderer like the Tampa Fireman's nephew who clocks little old ladies over the head in between trafficking runs of cocaine OR the Tampa Fire Paramedic who tkes out the victims he or she is supposed to rescue.

OR covers up the REGUAR BEATINGS of his toddler daughter as did Chad Davis for his wife Cherryl(please note the useless extra letter) Tuggles, Barnett, gobbledy goop Davis before his family threatened to have him arrested.

Despite her rather VIOLENT arrest record and the FAILURES TO APPEAR Cherrrryl Barnett Tuggles Gobbledy Goop Davis received PRE TRIAL INTERVENTION.

So now the baby will be at risk for EVER.

Thank god at least some family members seem to care about the life of the child.

Also she was declared indigent. HMMMM. Last I checked paramedics are making about FORTY FOUR GRAND A YEAR. NIce job by the public defender who seems to have selectively risen from it's collective ass.

Or possibly lackadaisical activity on the part of the State's Attorney. There's that KUHN name again.



What should I scream for; this is my theme park.


Oh and if you give them a couple weeks' notice they put on what they feel is a VERY good show. ROFL.

Thanks.

There ain't nothing like live entertainment.

WHy'd you block the view of my car????
HMMM

Why do you think I would tell the truth to any of your folks who ask?

Daft.

But I DO know where your assumption of stupidity comes from.

Those things are internal.

Keller Breen Decamp Tome ONeill etc..

Wow. Yall better go crawling around my car tonight. AND everyone who is even vaguely acquainted with me's car and be sure the wheels are tight and snug.

Yknow?????

Because ... ummmm. Wow.

Your wife probably won't do well in prison.

I dunno ... maybe they DO let you have DSs there.

If so ... I see it working out rather well.

It's interesting how you and the Confederates list your property ummm holdings.

In a place card kind of way.

For when the fallout comes.

And it will.

Dear Pam IORIO

Look ... a love letter to pam


Tampa axes free jeans for city employees
$TAMPA - As they search for new ways to cut costs, Tampa officials are taking aim at an unlikely target: blue jeans.
For years, some city employees have been entitled to at least five sets of new uniforms every year under union-negotiated contracts with the city. For many employees in the public works and parks and recreation department, the uniform set includes five pairs of blue jeans annually.
City officials say some workers have been abusing those privileges by getting new uniforms even when they didn't need them, filling their wardrobes on the taxpayers' dime.
In a city facing record budget shortfalls, it's an expense officials say they can't afford.
A task force commissioned by Mayor Pam Iorio has recommended that the annual uniform allowances for general employees – roughly half the city's workforce – be substantially scaled back. The move could save the city up to $216,000 a year, according to city estimates.
"We've had some workers just filling up their closets with freebies," said Richard Carter, operations and maintenance manger for the city's stormwater department and chairman of the uniform task force. "In this economic atmosphere, we can't allow that to happen."
Topping the list for proposed elimination are annual purchases of blue jeans, which cost the city about $33,000 last fiscal year, according to figures provided by the city.
Under other proposed changes, subject to approval by Iorio and union negotiations, only workers whose jobs require that they wear uniforms will be given a clothing allowance.
Those employees would be given one pair of shoes and five uniforms for work. They would only be given replacements when those are worn out and would have to turn in the used clothes.
Supervisors, clerical workers and support staff would no longer be given a uniform allowance, Carter said, a move that would save the city another $10,000 a year.
Police and firefighters are covered by separate union contracts that would not be affected.
Union officials said the proposed changes are subject to negotiations on a contract for fiscal year 2011. That process is expected to get under way in the next few months.
"Nothing is carved in stone," said Martha Stevens, president of the Amalgamated Transit Union Local 1464, which represents nearly 2,000 blue-collar and clerical workers.
Carter said the city can eliminate jean purchases without union approval because it's the one item of clothing not specifically mentioned in the uniform provision of the contract.
He said efforts to curtail uniform expenditures is not about punishing city workers.
"Every time we save the city $40,000," he said, "that's someone's job we're saving."
Reporter Christian M. Wade can be reached at (813) 259-7679
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Posted by (RRR) on 02/10/2010 at 08:36 am.
A review of ALL EXPENSES on a line by line checklist? What a concept. Would it be too much to have a publicly listed benefit/cost list? Something the taxpayers of Tampa/Hills county could review?? Come on TBO step up here and print it !! Lets play a game called " FOLLOW THE MONEY "
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Posted by (1madvet) on 02/10/2010 at 08:42 am.
Hey, Pam. You could save thousands more by not buying bottled water and have the city and county employes drink the same crap that you expect your tax payers to drink. Toilet to tap. That sounds so refreshing :-)
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Posted by (cyngc) on 02/10/2010 at 08:44 am.
You want the job, you should be responsible for your clothes. Nobody ever paid for my business suits.
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Posted by (dk818) on 02/10/2010 at 08:48 am.
Our tax money hard at work. Is it any wonder we get next to zero return on our tax money when anywhere and everywhere you look out tax money goes to things like union worker's blue jeans? Does anyone at all believe that our government's responsibilities include dressing workers? We desperately need to shrink government at all levels if we are to survive as a nation. Look at what is happening to Portugal, Spain, and especially Greece. You want to know where large entitlement programs, universal health care, generation pensions for minimal work, and 40% to 50% GDP being spent on social programs leads, they are your answer.
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Posted by (turbobody) on 02/10/2010 at 08:51 am.
...uh, nevermind - I thought the headline read Tampa axes for free jeans.
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Posted by (dsjk100) on 02/10/2010 at 08:52 am.
What a load of b-s, a few years ago a city employee came to the city council and said the clothing and shoes that they get should be cut back nice to see that it took the city years to implement the cost savings.
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Posted by (Old_Crusty) on 02/10/2010 at 09:00 am.
(1madvet), good point.As for filling up the closet thing, try the OTHER military system (not the paid uniform allowance). You need a new shirt? No problem, where is the old one or at least the biggest pieces of it?The more shot up, torn up, blown up, or burned up it looked, the less the quartermaster argued with ya.The statement "The medics cut the SOB off of me due to what caused these scars. Would you like to go with me? I'll show ya where it happened." also took you to the head of the line with NO argument about you losing anything. ;-0
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Posted by (TBPatriot) on 02/10/2010 at 09:09 am.
Blue Jeans are a problem, but the 5 city workers doing a small paving job is no problem. Alrighty then.
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Posted by (cemil) on 02/10/2010 at 09:12 am.
You know, I have no problem with a "jeans" allowance being given to workers like the ones in the picture, but CLERICAL WORKERS???
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Posted by (cavedog) on 02/10/2010 at 09:14 am.
This is what happens when unions get their foot in governments door. They don’t mind spending “other people’s money”. Nobody should get jeans for work. It's not a specialty item, like bulletproof vests, reflective vests or safety glasses. I have to buy my own clothes to be in compliance with my workplace dress code. It's part of the cost to work, like commuting, lunch, coffee, soda's, etc. I don’t see where it is the employer's responsibility to clothe me in addition to my paycheck. I'm provided with office supplies to accomplish my tasks. They are cheap, which is good business sense, but I don’t like using them. So I choose to buy higher end items out of my pocket. I don't drink the city water offered by my employer. Instead of demanding bottled water on my bosses dime, I bring my own filtered water from home in stainless steel water bottles. My desk has trinkets I've brought from home, just like everyone who works at a desk/cube. In short, I buy those things I consider perks and personal items Unions associated with governments think the taxpayers should pay for everything. Well, they are wrong, and it's time to bring these unions and local government back to reality.cavedog-If people behaved like governments, you'd call the cops. ~Kelvin Throop
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Posted by (patchvader) on 02/10/2010 at 09:15 am.
Small potatos- the real money is in the multiple overheads with water department, road dept, emergency services, leo etc that exist in the same space. Start looking at city county consolidation- thats where the real money is-
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Posted by (alohaoleon) on 02/10/2010 at 09:15 am.
"under union-negotiated contracts"...the problem is obvious and speaks for itself.
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Posted by (clitaxpayer) on 02/10/2010 at 09:17 am.
a line by line check list should be done EVERY year... not in years when you run out of money. Giving city employees free blue jeans is completely ridiculous. unions bankrupt private companies and will bankrupt an entire city too. just go to work and shut your mouth. if you dont like your job, then get a different job. you aren't entitled to squat
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Posted by (obcanes) on 02/10/2010 at 09:19 am.
Hey whats Yellow and Sleeps Six?A D.O.T. Truck!
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Posted by (ballyhoo) on 02/10/2010 at 09:20 am.
Many industries have clothing allowances due to job circumstances such as safety and work environment. How long would your clothes last laying asphalt? True - worn clothes should be used to claim replacements.As far as 5 workers in the picture, have you ever done that? Do you know what you're taling about? How big was the project? Just a rash, uninformed judgement...
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Posted by (winterfun) on 02/10/2010 at 09:23 am.
can somebody explain to me please, why are employees working for police department allow to take a cars home? I am not talking about police officers taking home cruisers. These are some other (capt.) employees who drive cars home on daily basis. I have one in my neighborhood. Every view months he drives a different car.
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Posted by (MondayQuarterBack) on 02/10/2010 at 09:32 am.
This is awful. Now where will my spouse and kids get free jeans.
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Posted by (suemccartin) on 02/10/2010 at 09:33 am.
I tend to agree that folks that work with tar, asphalt, concrete, nasty chemicals etc. should get a clothing allowance, but, I also don't have a problem with them needing to turn in the destroyed stuff before it's replaced. Any benefit can be abused, if we look closely we'll find abuses of the coffee pot, the bottled water, and plenty of other things too like the office supplies etc. I for one don't have that much problem with an officer taking his/her vehicle home as long as it's not a huge distance (i.e. they need to live within 15 miles or some such). A law enforcement vehicle parked in somebody's driveway is going to make the local petty criminals think twice before breaking in that house or anyone close because they know there's a weapon and someone that knows how to use it. A law enforcement vehicle in a driveway can be a real crime deterrent for a neighborhood.
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Posted by (ballyhoo) on 02/10/2010 at 09:37 am.
The city budget is published every year in detail on their website. If you really were concerned, you'd read it and follow up on it. Most here just want to vent their bile..you get the government you deserve. Get off your duff and do the work of a citizen.
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Posted by (bubonicplague1300) on 02/10/2010 at 09:37 am.
A prime example of why liberal unions are a thing of the past look at California, GM and Chrysler. How about we cut the pay of Tampa cops since an average Tampa cop makes as much as a NYC cop. Lets the cut the city commissioners salary also.
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Posted by (Curbed_Enthusiasm) on 02/10/2010 at 09:40 am.
Good. If the citizens are cutting their budgets, government should be doing the same.
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Posted by (librul) on 02/10/2010 at 09:43 am.
If the city really wanted to save money, they should end take home vehicles for TPD. It's really frustrating to be passed by a TPD vehicle in ANOTHER county doing a good 15-20 mph over the posted limit. How much fuel does that waste?
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Posted by (theartistfkacallitlikeitis) on 02/10/2010 at 09:43 am.
I don't have a problem with the city providing jeans to the workers so long as they don't get additional jeans until they turn in the worn out pairs issued earlier.At the rate the city workers work they will all still be on their first pair.
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Posted by (Snid174) on 02/10/2010 at 09:44 am.
The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) proclaims that if the cost of a "UNIFORM" draws the employee below minimum wage in one week, then the employer has to provide the uniform, if it is a condition of employment. (there are exceptions for the food service industry and few others). I doubt very seriously that ANY City or County employee makes minimum wage. Why in the world would anyone, particularly a public institution, negotiate a union contract with other than what the FLSA depicts. It is poor management to do so and a WASTE OF TAX PAYER'S MONEY.
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Posted by (pwg) on 02/10/2010 at 09:52 am.
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Posted by (whatthehe77) on 02/10/2010 at 09:54 am.
My husband not only has to weare a specific uniform, he has to pay for it every week out of his check. And because when the uniform company cleans them they come back stiff as a board, we also wash them, so we pay for water, electric and laundry detergent as well as the cost of the uniform!!!I don't even agree with handing in the old pair, you can pick up a pair of tattered worn jeans at any thrift store or garage sale for .50 then turn them in and get a brand new pair. It would be different if they were city issued jeans that didn't have a name brand on them!!
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Posted by (Tampabob1) on 02/10/2010 at 09:57 am.
With this abuse can anyone wonder how much more is out there. It scares me to death. Typical government mentality as it is just tapayer $$$ and we will just increase the sales tax or property tax the spend more.
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Posted by (TATMAN92) on 02/10/2010 at 10:02 am.
I agree. If they can't afford jeans, let them go naked.
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Posted by (greensideup) on 02/10/2010 at 10:14 am.
Do the police officers purchase their own ammo? If so, this might explain why so few badguys get shot...
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Posted by (texigator) on 02/10/2010 at 10:22 am.
Free blue jeans, extravagant catered lunches, free trips, this is all just the tip of the iceberg. Government AT ALL LEVELS needs to be cut and have all of this type of crap eliminated. These unions are sucking the rest of us dry and it's time to put an end to it.
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Posted by (edfflyer) on 02/10/2010 at 10:28 am.
I just want to know if Roz did the "axeing" for 1800axe gary
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Posted by (felixthecat) on 02/10/2010 at 10:38 am.
Hey Athletes get free clothes....LOL geez get your own clothes....most of us do and our clothes cost a little more then $10 jeans
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Posted by (jeffegator) on 02/10/2010 at 10:41 am.
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Posted by (Simonsays) on 02/10/2010 at 10:49 am.
Hey cavedog mabey if you worked a little more at your city job mabey we could save some money...I see you reading and bloging and looking up little quotes to tell everyone.
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Posted by (TBCat) on 02/10/2010 at 10:56 am.
I like the argument: I have to pay for my clothes, everyone else should too. That's real nice. You should look up the word envy. It is not a good thing.
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Posted by (tominabox) on 02/10/2010 at 11:00 am.
This is just stupid. Are we going to start counting how many pens and binders that the office workers use, and force them to turn in the full ones to get issued more? These workers have become used to living within the compensation provided, which includes the free jeans. By cutting this perk, it is effectively a tax or reduction in pay, hurting the workers who need it the most.
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Posted by (bubonicplague1300) on 02/10/2010 at 11:10 am.
This is a prime reason why greece and the european union are about to collapse...when u have so much socialism involved it collapses free market principles. If you want free jeans go live in cuba, and if u complain about not getting those free jeans either get a better job or make better choices about your education. Im sure these workers are nothing but online GED graduates in the first place, the people have awaken and want to stop the free handout policies.
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Posted by (sclark268) on 02/10/2010 at 12:15 pm.
Buy your own work clothes>>like I do, and go to work in your OWN vehicle>> like I do.Simple, Yes!!!
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Posted by (bubonicplague1300) on 02/10/2010 at 12:25 pm.
sclark268 thats a great idea but liberals dont understand that concept
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Posted by (pjgatorjg) on 02/10/2010 at 12:49 pm.
about time, how many of those workers got work clothes paid by the city and still claimed it on their taxes?? what about all the const.workers--etc. no one supplies their clothing??
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Posted by (working_stiff) on 02/10/2010 at 12:52 pm.
You can tell who the union pukes/city workers are on here - TBCat and tominabox.obcanes - so true.
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Posted by (bnav) on 02/10/2010 at 01:10 pm.
just stupid. I guess someone has something against Levi's. Laughable
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Posted by (gene_pool_observer) on 02/10/2010 at 01:40 pm.
turbobody, only would axe for pants on the ground pants
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Posted by (seekit233612) on 02/10/2010 at 01:45 pm.
I can agree with this. I have to supply my own clothes for my job. Let's save more money and cancel Pam's car service too and just reimburse her for mileage she drives. My company doesn't provide car service for me either.
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Posted by (zgolf1) on 02/10/2010 at 01:56 pm.
winterfun I am sure that on the day that the captian makes an arrest of some ax murderer in your neighborhood or apprehends some punks in his take home car because they were about to kill you, well you know where I am going. Its called visibility and you should be glad that the vehicle is parked in your neighborhood instead of being a Richard Head on TBO..And to the moron who suggest that the LEOs pay be cut remember that not to many people are willing to do this job anyway and it is dangerous out there.But you seem to have all of the angles covered. But I do agree that there is much more trash in NY.
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Posted by (username1990) on 02/10/2010 at 03:18 pm.
some idiot in the city wants to spend $4000 for solar garbage cans, and other idiots expect city workers to ruin their own clothes putting down tar. city management really has theirs heads where the sun don't shine. ctrl alt del - time for reset. fire management now.
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Posted by (bubonicplague1300) on 02/10/2010 at 03:47 pm.
Under obamas stimulus plan these are the type of workers that the govt is helping to save or create...where are all my flag waivers?
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Posted by (seekit233612) on 02/10/2010 at 05:05 pm.
To the dinks who are saying that a cop car parked in the driveway reduces crime... where's the study proving that? In my neighborhood (not a high crime area) the burglars attempted to break into an occupied home that was located RIGHT NEXT DOOR to the parked cop car (at 6 pm also). It simply makes you "feel" safer, but in fact it really doesn't. I'll take the cost savings thank you very much. That is, unless you require my employer to give me a car to use - then I'll shut up.
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Posted by (bolador) on 02/10/2010 at 08:54 pm.
I say a 20% across the board tax cut...and let's dissolve, first and foremost, the Police and fire depts. These are taxpayer funded,government-controlled law enforcement and propoerty-protection agencies. I say we fight our own crime and put out our own fires. Real Americans can do it-I'm sure John Wayne did. Then lets get rid of all funding for public education. If people can't afford to pay for their childrens education, let'em get two(or three) jobs. Why should we pay for an educated society? We need workers, who neeeds more professors? Let em teach themselves how to read and write.
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Posted by (RAGINGLEO) on 02/10/2010 at 09:08 pm.
Richard Carter, that $40,000,000.00 new Curtis Hixon Park, at $40,000.00 per job would be worth about 1,000 jobs, all without blue jeans. If I read the story right, Supervisors, clerical workers and support staff will no longer get a uniform allowance, saving another $10,000.00 a year, why were they getting one to begin with? If the job requires blue jeans or any uniform at all the city needs to pick up the cost with the employees knowledge that the cost is part of their overall compensation package. I hope this does not have the unintended consquence of makeing the workers end up getting Dickes instead. Ever notice how when the City gets in money trouble it starts to talk about having to cut services, cops, firemen, rangers or such? But when it is pointed out that it has spent $40,000,000.00 on a park in DOWNTOWN Tampa the reply is always, "The money was allocatted that way and can't be spent any other way". How about the City spend our tax money on things that make the city run well? When was the last time you were on Dale Mabry at a light and the guy next to you yelled out, "I just can't wait to take my pretty wife and three small girls downtown on Friday night so we can enjoy Curtis Hixon Park". I haven't forgotten about the $14,000,000.00 museum either. If the politicos spent the tax payers money like a real small business man would do you think these kind of expendatures would happen? NO. If these steps are correct, and they do sound like they are a step in the right direction, why were they not always in effect? So much waste, so little tax money.
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Posted by (keepitreel) on 02/10/2010 at 10:15 pm.
I only see one (1) American in this picture putting the asphalt down. How about saving American jobs and making sure your employees are legal citizens before you hire. That would reduce the unemployment rate. If i am wrong, please prove it. Remember, I KEEPITREEL!
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Posted by (TOOPRETTYforprison) on 02/10/2010 at 11:35 pm.
TBPatriot, you almost got it perfect. BUT... here's the kicker. They MUST have posed for this picture because I NEVER EVER see more than one guy working ... EVER. EVER. How many guys you need for the job, Tampa employee? Well, let's see, I'll need one to hold my cellphone, and five to stand around talking and laughing while someone else does the work. I actually have NO problem with them having a small clothing allowance. Two hundred dollars in work jeans. I DO have a problem with spam giving herself raises and using city functions to shove her name doen peoples' throats. SPAM !! GO AWAY >>>>>>
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Posted by (Unstable) on 02/11/2010 at 08:25 am.
I'm sure there is lots more pork that can be cut.......
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Posted by (librul) on 02/11/2010 at 08:57 am.
zgolf, it's pretty obvious where you work. When is the last time a police captain arrested ANYBODY. As for visibility, just think of all the times these VISIBLE police cars are burglarized, resulting in the theft of computers, firearms etc. One more point: Why should Tampa taxpayers pay for increased visibility of leo vehicles 60 miles away, in ANOTHER COUNTY. Of course, my employer supplies my auto for both personal and business use. It's called being self-employed. Much different than being a union leach.
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Posted by (mrfla1) on 02/11/2010 at 10:38 am.
to TBPatriot - it takes 5 guys to do a small paving job to get it done while the material is still above temp required to do so. cavedog - the union in the city is like the tail trying to wag the dog. it is basically a paper tiger taking money from the members. i am one of the uniformed workers who gets 5 jeans a year and only 5 pairs. i never get to the end of the year with all 5 pair still intact. i then buy my own with my own money that is NOT the inflated bucks many are trying to make the public believe the working class heroes receive. the mayor still has 7 personnel in her office. there are divisions in the city doing major work with less than that!!! her assistant has an assistant!! many of the non-uniformed admin staff downtown receive a clothing allowance with the biggest risk being a coffee stain. explain that cost please. the majority of the general public has absolutely no idea of how the city actually functions. i would love to see the mayor go undercover and spend a day with me on my job!! she would suffer major reality realignment!!!!!
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Posted by (mrfla1) on 02/11/2010 at 11:09 am.
i see comments on the bottled water the city uses. let me tell you who uses those bottles of water - the downtown contingent who only go outside when it is lunch time. the rest oF US drink what the citizens drink - tap water. i put my own little packets of lemonade in it to kill the taste however. also the bottled water is a custom purchase instead of low bid. it's easy to rig a bid when you know how!!!
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Posted by (TOOPRETTYforprison) on 02/11/2010 at 06:58 pm.
mrfla1, don't drink that crap !!!!! It's killing you. At our house we don't even use it for dishes. It's DISGUSTING. It will rot your skin. This bitch needs to be SUED not SENATE'd. SHe's a smart ass too rolling around with her jugs of zephyrhills water in front of me after I called to complain about the nasty frigging water. SICK!@!!!!
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