AND, (or)their Supervisors of Election are dirty. PLUS on this last statement. To wit: The murder of Phyllis Busansky.
Anyway .... electing a THIEF (MAYBE) a DOG THIEF (fuck) and a CHARLATAN CUBANO all in one night.
Marco Rubio considers himself an immigrant like I consider myself .... can't find an apt comparison.
Mark Ober will be on a free for all.
Pam and O'Neill hand in hand.
Floridians: You're stupid AND fucked.
And Pam Iorio: LOL !!!
Tampa Police: KILLING THEIR OWN (mike roberts, TPD RIP) and standing by or helping while tampa residents are murdered in their home so that they can TRAFFICK UNIMPEDED. On lessons learned from Charlie Wells, Manatee via Robert ONeill Assistant United States Attorney and FOUR GREEN FIELDS owner/partner .... BUT they've spent (UNKNOWN SUMS)on this nifty device that YOU paid for .... while your fellow citizens are lying dead ...
THANKS PAM
Here's some more comments ... these cops that ride the boards at SPT are classic nazis. GO GET LAID
Clearwateryeyes wrote:
Lhandley. You are probably the one who is in the left lane,obstructing the flow of traffic. The big signs in the median instruct slow traffic to keep RIGHT. Thus allowing officers to ticket YOU. So... That being said...Please move over and let the rest of us be on our way.
Apr 15, 2010 8:01 AM
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DR wrote:
Lhandley, you just admitted you don't understand the law since the left lane is used for passing other vehicles. The left lane is not for your leisure, get the heck out of it. If you're in the left lane and people are using the right lane to pass you, YOU are in the worng. The irritating thing on 75, besides the dummies who drive in the left lane for no reason, is that when you try to keep a safe distance behind the vehicle in front of you, some jerk slides in.
Apr 15, 2010 8:07 AM
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reddogbluedog wrote:
actually , the old law and drivers ed mantra was 1/2 second per 10 mph. So, if you are travelling 50 mph, you should be 2 1/2 seconds behind,4 seconds at 80 mph,etc. Frankly, I don't see them proactive with this. I just see them adding extra charges onto your ticket if involved in an accident.
Apr 15, 2010 8:12 AM
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windowsugar wrote:
I see all the cops were notified to hop on first. a. read the statutes relating to laser/radar. They're NOT accurate. Police can AND DO fake the tests. READ ! b. I'm so happy that they've spent likely MILLIONS on this while tampa residents are being MURDERED IN THEIR HOMES AT A SICKENING PACE WHILE PAM AND WHAT'S HER NAME TOUT THE PLUMMMETING CRIME.
Apr 15, 2010 8:15 AM
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windowsugar wrote:
lhandley that will never happen. When you have these idiots on your ●●● forcing dangerous lane changes even though you are going the legal speed limit when they finally manage to force you over they're often firemen or other idiots. I watched one get pulled over after doing that to me on 75 and of course, there was no ticket issued unless that's the fastest writing cop EVER. They try to force you into other lanes of traffic at times in heavy traffic when NO ONE should be changing lanes. THEY are the idiots. Drive your safe way. If they want to die they've got plenty of time.
Apr 15, 2010 8:17 AM
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elainec wrote:
If only they would ticket the drivers going 20 mph below the speed limit in the passing land of US 19 obstructing the flow of traffic...or people who panic at rainfall and drive with hazard lights on causing everyone else to switch lanes to avoid them. How about the segment of population with slow reaction times who watch your car approaching at 55 mph for 1/4 mile and wait until you are RIGHT there before pulling out of a parking lot in front of you and slamming on their brakes to check their mirrors?
Apr 15, 2010 8:18 AM
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windowsugar wrote:
They don't care about enforcing the laws, silly. They care about back dooring the homeland security and YOUR money out to their backddor company buddies. AND sitting in training for WEEKS or MONTHS being paid. End of story.
Apr 15, 2010 8:19 AM
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cbtgator wrote:
While I'm all for reducing tailgating (except during football games), this just seems like another gimmick to make more money. Ask yourself and then answer, is it realistic to use this device during rush hour traffic? If that's the case then I'll run down to the DMV and turn in my license now. Anyone who drives in Tampabay knows that it is a nightmare. But given the reality of driving the gauntlet every day, we may as well issue a new Sunpass for tailgating or set up a toll both. Better yet, why don't we just set up a system that allows us to pay for the number of cars that we are going to be less than 2 seconds behind now. This is one of those ideas that going to make us all criminals again - like the 55 MPH speed limit. How about this, increase the use of better mass transit and take away all the cars. PROBLEM SOLVED.
Apr 15, 2010 8:20 AM
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windowsugar wrote:
And to sum it up this is a very stupid thing. When traffic is slowing you will be closer to each other .. many times you will be closer. THE ONLY TIME this would be of use is on an open highway or the open interstate. What a waate of money to scoop up some revenue and make things in general, MORE dangerous.
Apr 15, 2010 8:21 AM
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leftyiii wrote:
Whatever happened to the law for slower traffic KEEP RIGHT, driving anywhere around here in a 55 mph you have people in the left lane doing 40mph, now what can be done about that, HELLO COPS, now there's a way to make money for your county/city/state!and less agressive drivers!
Apr 15, 2010 8:21 AM
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H MAN wrote:
Slow left lane drivers are the most retarded people on the planet. I have seen many near misses while dozens of cars are forced to go around the slow left lane moron who is just cruising along chatting on their cell phone. MOVE OVER. It is the law.
Apr 15, 2010 8:41 AM
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Ripley's wrote:
When they start targeting those folks who dont understand 'SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT' there won't be tailgating on interstates. The idiots who tailgate me on a 2 lane road and I am doing 5 mph over the posted speed are the ones that need ticketing.
Apr 15, 2010 8:45 AM
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marygarfield wrote:
well i am not surprise the cops found another way to get dollars for the cause. now no one like a tailgater worst than me but, really you have to move out of state like so many have to get away from these crazy ways of getting the dollar from a turnip.
Apr 15, 2010 8:45 AM
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B0B wrote:
I say throw all this techno-garbage in the trash and use all these funds to replace all traffic detail cop cars with various un-marked vehicles of different makes & models. I saw a St. Pete cop in a gray plain jane 1999 Ford Taurus pull over a guy for cutting him off on Gandy...and I cheered. I've also seen a Dodge Dakota they have that has a hard-tonneau bed cover that raised up a few inches to reveal the flashing lights...fantastic idea!! Bottom line, Un-marked patrol cars are THE most effective tool against aggressive driving, period. And please LEO's, PLEASE enforce the left-lane laws on the interstates!!!!!!!!!
Apr 15, 2010 8:56 AM
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fayejay wrote:
I'm sick of the cops bullying people, I wish these Ba$turds would stop finding ways to gouge money from us, as far as I'm concerned they can all go to he!!.This is a complete load of crap, take your dumba$$ technology and ram it!
Apr 15, 2010 8:57 AM
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metalchristian wrote:
dr lhandley never said they drive in the left lane
Apr 15, 2010 9:00 AM
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cholouno wrote:
The police love their new toys and the new way to extract money.
Apr 15, 2010 9:22 AM
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Ray5719 wrote:
I believe that IMPEDING traffic is just as VALID a citation! So, there's ANOTHER thing that the police could do to help traffic. They most likely would have to be mobile to catch it, but not always. It would certainly help traffic. It's just too bad that the police have to TEACH everyone HOW TO DRIVE!!
Apr 15, 2010 9:24 AM
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Judy Ann Hansell wrote:
Nope, I agree with Chopper 2, he's right, I get sick of someone on my butt, then turn around, and I have to run an amber light, just to avoid getting hit from behind. More power to ya Police Dept!!!!!
Apr 15, 2010 9:33 AM
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leftyiii wrote:
Are there any LEO's out there listening to these comments, or do you need permission to target left lane slo-pokes and text/talkers?
Apr 15, 2010 9:36 AM
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TruthHurts00 wrote:
BOB - unmarked police vehicles are CHEATING. thats not the way the game goes, if i see him and slow down before his laser gets me I win, otherwise, ticket. all these cops in super duty pickup trucks and blue dodge chargers ●●●● me off
Apr 15, 2010 9:40 AM
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DR wrote:
metalchristian, read it again. I never see people ride up on a car in the right lane to make them move to the left to pass them. You must not drive at all. I don't see how they can enforce this. They would have to have video of it to prove in court of law. This definitely can't be enforced in heavy traffic, unless they wnt to pull over hundreds of cars at a time.
Apr 15, 2010 9:42 AM
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sevo wrote:
marygarfield - hate to spoil your day, but Florida isn't the first to enforce these laws with the new tools. You people seem to think that Florida is the only state. Hey, try obeying the laws and you won't have to move. And I'll donate $10 for your gas to get out of town.
Apr 15, 2010 9:48 AM
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wormzer wrote:
Anyone on these posts who support more law enforcement and government work for government. Apparently everyone seems to know this already. Hey pigs. (you know who you are). oink oink, how about a ham sandwich!
Apr 15, 2010 9:50 AM
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sevo wrote:
wormzer - If you never left your run down trailer you wouldn't have to worry. Loser. Move to mexico, they enforce nothing.
Apr 15, 2010 9:52 AM
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leftyiii wrote:
I spotted a bumper sticker that said,Left Lane For Idiots/Passing
Apr 15, 2010 9:53 AM
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voxyqt wrote:
wormzer where have you BEEN. Please post your link again. I lost the darn thing. We should talk ! Have you read kevin mcginley? They faked everything with him too and covered up his murder for their family.
Apr 15, 2010 9:55 AM
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voxyqt wrote:
sevo, wormzer is rich. You must be from the rundown trailer. wormzer will OWN YOU some day soon along with most of the LEO and firepigs from FL. (and DC) who cover up murders.
Apr 15, 2010 9:57 AM
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Phoenix wrote:
About time! I'm sorry, but when I'm driving 70 and you are so close that I can't see your headlights, that's too close!
Apr 15, 2010 10:04 AM
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sevo wrote:
voxzqt - Rich or poor, an ignorant post is an ignorant post. I have not heard of brain transplants if you are rich enough, and you two would be candidates. By the way, are you his boyfriend?
Apr 15, 2010 10:07 AM
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ChrisNewTampa wrote:
Great, another way for the City to take more money away from us. The Police Department has been turned into a revenue stream for the city/county. Instead of their main focus being on "Protect and Serve" it's now "Fine and Collect".
Apr 15, 2010 10:07 AM
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Stard3 wrote:
wormzer,fayejay: Funny how you hate cops. I am sure that if you or your family are severely victimized by some thugs, you would never call 911 because they are just "pigs", and these "Ba$turds" can "all go to he!!, right? Idiots.
Oh yeah, and windowsugar just shut up. You're posts are not even worth responding to. You have some serious issues. Seek help.
Apr 15, 2010 10:09 AM
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Captain America wrote:
Yes folks, if you are in the left lane doing the speed limit and some butthole comes up doing doing 10-20 mph over the limit, let them pass on the right, they are breaking the law anyways. You are not in the wrong if you are doing the max limit. If you are going slower, you should move over (i.e., rubber neck and Sunday Drive in the right lane). The arses are the ones speeding and driving aggressively. The law does not provide for anyone to speed to pass and get on your bumper as a result. Those people are idiots.
Apr 15, 2010 10:17 AM
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Captain America wrote:
Astutefl and reddogbluedod are right---2 seconds at 80 mph is a lot more dangerous than 2 seconds at 40 mph due to increased stopping distances with increased speed. But by any account, 2 seconds is just too close.
Apr 15, 2010 10:21 AM
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glasat wrote:
The only reason I might support using these laser devices is that, should they ever be introduced here in St. Pete, they might reduce the odds of my car being rammed at a light, as I make that microsecond decision to not chance the yellow (re: red light cameras coming to St. Pete). Of course, the drivers who tend to tailgate me like aren't reading this article.
@elainec...I didn't know there's a "passing lane" on Rte. 19. When did it become a federal highway?@DR.....as has been noted, Lhandley never said he/she was using the left-most lane on I-75. You took your cue from clearwateryeyes. @windowsugar...I agree with Stard3. You need help. Please stop your flaming.
Apr 15, 2010 10:33 AM
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sevo wrote:
glasat - I agree wholeheartedly concerning windowsugar, thought she may be beyond help/
I also believe that it's US 19, which would make it a federal highway. There's Interstates, US Highways, state and county roads, oh, and don't forget the dirt roads.
Apr 15, 2010 10:40 AM
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SportsHeckle.com wrote:
Nice waste of 50k....We in a budget crunch for education but Tampa's "not so finest" can spend 50k on 12 guns to fetect tailgating....WOW
Apr 15, 2010 10:40 AM
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Da_Joker wrote:
THIS IS TOTALLY RIDICULOUS... Its shocking that so many people FREELY give up their rights. This IS nothing but another way to siphon from cash strapped citizens. Driving to close my ●●●●... What happened to committing a violation/crime BEFORE being punished.
All of this new "technology" inches our society toward Orwell's 1984... Then again who reads anymore?
Apr 15, 2010 10:45 AM
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mynewsviews wrote:
I don't need an officer with a laser to help with tailgaters. Follow me to close; I'll slam on the brakes! How's the bumper taste?
Apr 15, 2010 10:47 AM
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sevo wrote:
Da_Joker - Since when do you have a right to tailgate and run red lights? Driving a car is not a right but a priviledge. Get real, would you rather have no traffic laws and enforcement?
Apr 15, 2010 10:47 AM
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C'est moi wrote:
If you didn't tailgate you wouldn't have to worry about it and it's pretty obvious by the posts which ones have their noses up someone's tailpipes.I've found that dropping a ball bearing out the window, letting it bounce up right handily into an oil pan. No damage, but the person tailgating backs off thinking the clunker in front of him/her is falling apart.
Apr 15, 2010 10:49 AM
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Stard3 wrote:
Hey Captain America, I always wanted to ask people why they do what you do. Not only is it more risky to pass on the right, people in that lane are usually going as fast as you so it's almost impossible to pass!
You are holding up all the traffic in that left lane. Not sure I really understand the logic in what you and many others do this for. Why wouldn't you simply show some courtesy and move to the right lane if there are others who want to use the fast lane? Do you do that on purpose? Do you do it to make a point?
Apr 15, 2010 10:53 AM
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lillapoyka wrote:
what about the cops that drive on my butt?
Just about every driver on the road can be ticketed for driving less than 2 seconds behind the driver in front of them. Simply a way for the state to make up some of their deficit.
Apr 15, 2010 10:54 AM
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lillapoyka wrote:
The people that really need to get tickets are those that are driving 30 in a 45 (happens all the time on 19). The ones that use the turn right lane as a lane to merge left. The ones that stop in the the center lane because they missed their turn and don't want to drive further and make a uturn.
Apr 15, 2010 10:56 AM
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Da_Joker wrote:
Sevo- Ah... Who said ANYTHING about having "a right to tailgate and run red lights?" Here a idea... Go back and re-read my comment. Process the material... Then come back and make a rational statement.
I would like to know how the device is calibrated? I guess the technology is accurate because they said so... Right. Oh yeah... Ignorance is blistful.
Apr 15, 2010 10:59 AM
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leftyiii wrote:
Yeah, if I am in my truck, I have NO problem slamming on the brakes, but when I have the Vette out that is a different story!
Apr 15, 2010 11:02 AM
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leftyiii wrote:
Yeah, seems like when I am in my Vette, everyone wants to ride my ●●● and pass me, I guess it is a jealousy issue
Apr 15, 2010 11:05 AM
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Stard3 wrote:
lillapoyka - Try and understand this. They are very short handed at times out there. Cops have a huge area to cover in their zones. They are going from one call to the next to try and handle what they can. Typically...(not always of course)If they are driving on your butt, they need to get to their next call. Think about it, why would you think they would be in a hurry? To go where? To eat lunch? Not likely. It is more like another call they need to get to.
There are many times that they do not turn on their lights and sirens when going to a call because people panic and crash. They try to keep that to a minimum and utilize them carefully, especially in high traffic areas. If you see a cop on your butt, just move out of the way. Do Cops drive aggressively at times? Sure they do. It's not to because they are "above" you or "because they can".
Apr 15, 2010 11:06 AM
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Phoenix wrote:
The person be tailgated is at risk of serious injury. I already have a back injury - being rear-ended by someone who can't stop in time can paralyze me.
Apr 15, 2010 11:06 AM
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flygirl88 wrote:
A good rule of thumb is If you can see the bottom of the wheels of the car in front of you, you're at a safe distance... or at least that's what I was taught in driver's ed so many years ago. I'm a woman, but I agree with Lhandley... it does seem women tailgate more than men.
Apr 15, 2010 11:11 AM
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33713 wrote:
nice another way to squeeze money out of people. i wonder how many tickets them selves will get. i see cops all the time riding peoples a ss and speeding around someone. fair is fair right?
Apr 15, 2010 11:22 AM
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Boppy wrote:
There's a way to ignore tailgaters. Ignore them and don't look in your rear view mirror. They eventually go around you. If the speed limit is 65mph, what is the top speed a motorist should be doing in the far, left lane? If the speed limit is 65mph, there's no excuse for people to be doing more than 5-8mph above the limit. That brings their speed to more than 70mph. Isn't that enough speed to be driving? I think so. I know there's bloggers who will accuse me of going to slow at 73mph in the far left lane. That's too bad. It's because of these scofflaws who want to travel 75,80,85 and at times, 95mph, who cause wrecks. Stop the speeding. Obey the law and stop the tailgating.
Apr 15, 2010 11:23 AM
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sevo wrote:
Da -Joker - I stand by what I wrote.
Apr 15, 2010 11:26 AM
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kimmy wrote:
I hate tailgaters! I always leave just enough room between me and the car in front of me to be safe which is just enough room for some jerk to slip right in which makes me have to slow down to get off his rear. When a jerk ride my butt I just want to slam on breaks as hard as I can.....oops I saw a dog and had to avoid it. Sorry officer he was just following me to close.
Apr 15, 2010 11:48 AM
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meatballredoo wrote:
The number one killer on Florida's highways is failure to yield to a traffic control device. The number one, most frequent citation given in Florida? Speeding. If you look this up in Department of Highway Sfety stats you'll find this to be true. This new tailgate tool is no different than a speed gun: It's used to generate revenue with no regard for the safety of our highways. People aren't dying from rear-enders. If governments were concerned with safety,they would enforce stop sign and red light laws, the top killers. Instead, our government has changed the motto of our law enforcement officers from "Serve and Protect" to "Observe and Collect". They are no more than revenue officers.
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Apr 15, 2010 11:52 AM
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JHendrix wrote:
Good. I hate when there's always some ●●●●●●● on a cell phone who is tailing you even when you're going the speed limit or 5 over.
Apr 15, 2010 12:03 PM
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JHendrix wrote:
I was also almost hit in the back because I stopped and didn't want to run the light. The ●●●●●●● behind me figured I was going to go through it.. and I could hear him stop too and he was very close to me.
Apr 15, 2010 12:12 PM
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FFRET wrote:
If I'm going the speed limit on any highway and I'm in the left lane, don't get mad at me and become agressive. If the speed limit is too slow for you, then go around. You're the one causing a hazardous situation, not me. The signs say, "Slower traffic keep right". If I'm doing the speed limit, how can I be slower traffic? Oh Yeah, the laws only apply to other people, not you.
Apr 15, 2010 3:22 PM
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rightwingrocker wrote:
Excellent... Tailgating is the highest sin one can commit against me on the roads. Now we need a law passed to ticket drivers who block passing lanes on the highways. Making overtaking on the right illegal would be a plus as well.
Apr 15, 2010 4:24 PM
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Rufus wrote:
I guess the cops have a new toy. I live in Belmont Heights. Gangs and Drug dealers run wild here day and night. While those cops were playing with their new toys there were drug deals and burglaries all over the city. I think the reason they concentrate on driving citations is because it is easy money. Most people pay their driving fines. Burglars and drug dealers don't pay anything. They live it up in jail.
Apr 15, 2010 6:25 PM
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gentlejim wrote:
I agree that I see way too many people riding right up the butt of another car, and it is very dangerous. However, the two second rule is bogus... Try it yourself! When you see the rear end of the car in front of you go parallel to a pole or street light, start counting one thousand one, one thousand two... If your front bumper is parallel to that pole before you finish counting, you are breaking the law. Tried it this morning on the freeway, and I had to have about ten cars length between me and another car doing about 60. At slower speeds, it was even more ridiculous. On Dale Mabry this afternoon, there was so much room between the two cars that people kept consistently cutting in front of me because there was a big opening.Maybe it is the law that needs to be changed... I'm old, and my reaction time is much better than two seconds.
Apr 15, 2010 7:03 PM
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voxyqt wrote:
sevo, maybe I am you want in on the usual action, big boy? I mean little boy??? You must be the new times critic. Get a life, sweetie.
Apr 15, 2010 7:35 PM
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voxyqt wrote:
no stard3 we are AFRAID OF THEM. It's illegal for them to terrorize citizens. When we finally sue their ●●●●● into extinctino maybe we will have REAL COPS AGAIN.
Apr 15, 2010 7:38 PM
Tampa police to use laser guns to catch tailgaters
By Kim Wilmath, Times Staff Writer Posted: Apr 15, 2010 06:43 AM
Tampa police Cpl. William Shaw uses one of the department’s new laser tools Thursday in Palmetto Beach to determine how closely drivers are following one another.
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Officer Obel Boza (IS THIS ANY RELATION TO THE FUNERAL HOME OWNER AND WHY WOULDN"T YOU BE SURPRISED???) gave a warning to Tim Pigott, 42, for following too closely on N 20th Street. Pigott, who at MacDill Air Force Base, said he learned his lesson.
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TAMPA — Police unveiled a new high-tech tool Thursday they say will help crack down on tailgating and reduce rear-end collisions.
The laser tool is similar to the radar guns commonly used to catch speeders. The tool measures the time that elapses between cars, said police spokeswoman Andrea Davis.
State law allows police to ticket drivers who are two seconds or less behind the car in front of them.
Tampa police got a $48,000 state grant to buy 12 of the devices.
Having accurate proof of the distance between cars will help police make case in court, Davis said.
Sixteen officers were trained to use the new laser. The technology has been around for a couple of years. The Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office already has two of the devices in use.
Police demonstrated the devices Thursday morning in Palmetto Beach, where they stopped vehicles on 20th Street.
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chopper2 wrote:
Great! now thier pointing a laser up our butt's. To be honest. I'm all for it. Tailgaters are not only annoying, but they have forced me to run thru a changing light, to avoid being slammed in the a$$.
Apr 15, 2010 6:59 AM
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Poppy wrote:
Good. Tailgating is dangerous and, most tailgaters are aggressive drivers.
Apr 15, 2010 7:16 AM
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WingRider wrote:
Now if you could actually get any cops to actually enforce those laws about tailgating and running lights, and speeding and aggressive driving, etc. etc. Oh yeah, and maybe NOT commit those crimes themselves??
Apr 15, 2010 7:29 AM
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Hondo wrote:
About time. These punks who drive up your a@@ while texting and talking on cells has to stop.
Apr 15, 2010 7:34 AM
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Astutefl wrote:
"State statutes allow officers ticket drivers who are two seconds behind the car in front of them." So, if I'm driving 20 mph, and am 2 seconds behind someone, it's the same as driving 80 mph and being 2 seconds behind someone else? Nice law.
Apr 15, 2010 7:38 AM
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Lhandley wrote:
I drive 75 to atlanta alot and I find that about 7 out of 10 drivers who pass me at around 75mph or more are women and most of them first have to run up on my rear end to try and force me to move over faster. I hope the troopers get this new gadget also.
Apr 15, 2010 7:47 AM
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Clearwateryeyes wrote:
Lhandley. You are probably the one who is in the left lane,obstructing the flow of traffic. The big signs in the median instruct slow traffic to keep RIGHT. Thus allowing officers to ticket YOU. So... That being said...Please move over and let the rest of us be on our way.
Apr 15, 2010 8:01 AM
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DR wrote:
Lhandley, you just admitted you don't understand the law since the left lane is used for passing other vehicles. The left lane is not for your leisure, get the heck out of it. If you're in the left lane and people are using the right lane to pass you, YOU are in the worng. The irritating thing on 75, besides the dummies who drive in the left lane for no reason, is that when you try to keep a safe distance behind the vehicle in front of you, some jerk slides in.
Apr 15, 2010 8:07 AM
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reddogbluedog wrote:
actually , the old law and drivers ed mantra was 1/2 second per 10 mph. So, if you are travelling 50 mph, you should be 2 1/2 seconds behind,4 seconds at 80 mph,etc. Frankly, I don't see them proactive with this. I just see them adding extra charges onto your ticket if involved in an accident.
Apr 15, 2010 8:12 AM
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windowsugar wrote:
I see all the cops were notified to hop on first. a. read the statutes relating to laser/radar. They're NOT accurate. Police can AND DO fake the tests. READ ! b. I'm so happy that they've spent likely MILLIONS on this while tampa residents are being MURDERED IN THEIR HOMES AT A SICKENING PACE WHILE PAM AND WHAT'S HER NAME TOUT THE PLUMMMETING CRIME.
Apr 15, 2010 8:15 AM
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windowsugar wrote:
lhandley that will never happen. When you have these idiots on your ●●● forcing dangerous lane changes even though you are going the legal speed limit when they finally manage to force you over they're often firemen or other idiots. I watched one get pulled over after doing that to me on 75 and of course, there was no ticket issued unless that's the fastest writing cop EVER. They try to force you into other lanes of traffic at times in heavy traffic when NO ONE should be changing lanes. THEY are the idiots. Drive your safe way. If they want to die they've got plenty of time.
Apr 15, 2010 8:17 AM
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elainec wrote:
If only they would ticket the drivers going 20 mph below the speed limit in the passing land of US 19 obstructing the flow of traffic...or people who panic at rainfall and drive with hazard lights on causing everyone else to switch lanes to avoid them. How about the segment of population with slow reaction times who watch your car approaching at 55 mph for 1/4 mile and wait until you are RIGHT there before pulling out of a parking lot in front of you and slamming on their brakes to check their mirrors?
Apr 15, 2010 8:18 AM
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windowsugar wrote:
They don't care about enforcing the laws, silly. They care about back dooring the homeland security and YOUR money out to their backddor company buddies. AND sitting in training for WEEKS or MONTHS being paid. End of story.
Apr 15, 2010 8:19 AM
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cbtgator wrote:
While I'm all for reducing tailgating (except during football games), this just seems like another gimmick to make more money. Ask yourself and then answer, is it realistic to use this device during rush hour traffic? If that's the case then I'll run down to the DMV and turn in my license now. Anyone who drives in Tampabay knows that it is a nightmare. But given the reality of driving the gauntlet every day, we may as well issue a new Sunpass for tailgating or set up a toll both. Better yet, why don't we just set up a system that allows us to pay for the number of cars that we are going to be less than 2 seconds behind now. This is one of those ideas that going to make us all criminals again - like the 55 MPH speed limit. How about this, increase the use of better mass transit and take away all the cars. PROBLEM SOLVED.
Apr 15, 2010 8:20 AM
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windowsugar wrote:
And to sum it up this is a very stupid thing. When traffic is slowing you will be closer to each other .. many times you will be closer. THE ONLY TIME this would be of use is on an open highway or the open interstate. What a waate of money to scoop up some revenue and make things in general, MORE dangerous.
Apr 15, 2010 8:21 AM
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leftyiii wrote:
Whatever happened to the law for slower traffic KEEP RIGHT, driving anywhere around here in a 55 mph you have people in the left lane doing 40mph, now what can be done about that, HELLO COPS, now there's a way to make money for your county/city/state!and less agressive drivers!
Apr 15, 2010 8:21 AM
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H MAN wrote:
Slow left lane drivers are the most retarded people on the planet. I have seen many near misses while dozens of cars are forced to go around the slow left lane moron who is just cruising along chatting on their cell phone. MOVE OVER. It is the law.
Apr 15, 2010 8:41 AM
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Ripley's wrote:
When they start targeting those folks who dont understand 'SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT' there won't be tailgating on interstates. The idiots who tailgate me on a 2 lane road and I am doing 5 mph over the posted speed are the ones that need ticketing.
Apr 15, 2010 8:45 AM
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marygarfield wrote:
well i am not surprise the cops found another way to get dollars for the cause. now no one like a tailgater worst than me but, really you have to move out of state like so many have to get away from these crazy ways of getting the dollar from a turnip.
Apr 15, 2010 8:45 AM
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B0B wrote:
I say throw all this techno-garbage in the trash and use all these funds to replace all traffic detail cop cars with various un-marked vehicles of different makes & models. I saw a St. Pete cop in a gray plain jane 1999 Ford Taurus pull over a guy for cutting him off on Gandy...and I cheered. I've also seen a Dodge Dakota they have that has a hard-tonneau bed cover that raised up a few inches to reveal the flashing lights...fantastic idea!! Bottom line, Un-marked patrol cars are THE most effective tool against aggressive driving, period. And please LEO's, PLEASE enforce the left-lane laws on the interstates!!!!!!!!!
Apr 15, 2010 8:56 AM
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fayejay wrote:
I'm sick of the cops bullying people, I wish these Ba$turds would stop finding ways to gouge money from us, as far as I'm concerned they can all go to he!!.This is a complete load of crap, take your dumba$$ technology and ram it!
Apr 15, 2010 8:57 AM
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metalchristian wrote:
dr lhandley never said they drive in the left lane
Apr 15, 2010 9:00 AM
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cholouno wrote:
The police love their new toys and the new way to extract money.
Apr 15, 2010 9:22 AM
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Ray5719 wrote:
I believe that IMPEDING traffic is just as VALID a citation! So, there's ANOTHER thing that the police could do to help traffic. They most likely would have to be mobile to catch it, but not always. It would certainly help traffic. It's just too bad that the police have to TEACH everyone HOW TO DRIVE!!
Apr 15, 2010 9:24 AM
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Judy Ann Hansell wrote:
Nope, I agree with Chopper 2, he's right, I get sick of someone on my butt, then turn around, and I have to run an amber light, just to avoid getting hit from behind. More power to ya Police Dept!!!!!
Apr 15, 2010 9:33 AM
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leftyiii wrote:
Are there any LEO's out there listening to these comments, or do you need permission to target left lane slo-pokes and text/talkers?
Apr 15, 2010 9:36 AM
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sevo wrote:
fayejay - take your ignorant attitude and ram it. Sounds like you are a rammer.
Apr 15, 2010 9:36 AM
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TruthHurts00 wrote:
BOB - unmarked police vehicles are CHEATING. thats not the way the game goes, if i see him and slow down before his laser gets me I win, otherwise, ticket. all these cops in super duty pickup trucks and blue dodge chargers ●●●● me off
Apr 15, 2010 9:40 AM
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DR wrote:
metalchristian, read it again. I never see people ride up on a car in the right lane to make them move to the left to pass them. You must not drive at all. I don't see how they can enforce this. They would have to have video of it to prove in court of law. This definitely can't be enforced in heavy traffic, unless they wnt to pull over hundreds of cars at a time.
Apr 15, 2010 9:42 AM
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sevo wrote:
marygarfield - hate to spoil your day, but Florida isn't the first to enforce these laws with the new tools. You people seem to think that Florida is the only state. Hey, try obeying the laws and you won't have to move. And I'll donate $10 for your gas to get out of town.
Apr 15, 2010 9:48 AM
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wormzer wrote:
Anyone on these posts who support more law enforcement and government work for government. Apparently everyone seems to know this already. Hey pigs. (you know who you are). oink oink, how about a ham sandwich!
Apr 15, 2010 9:50 AM
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sevo wrote:
wormzer - If you never left your run down trailer you wouldn't have to worry. Loser. Move to mexico, they enforce nothing.
Apr 15, 2010 9:52 AM
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leftyiii wrote:
I spotted a bumper sticker that said,Left Lane For Idiots/Passing
Apr 15, 2010 9:53 AM
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voxyqt wrote:
wormzer where have you BEEN. Please post your link again. I lost the darn thing. We should talk ! Have you read kevin mcginley? They faked everything with him too and covered up his murder for their family.
Apr 15, 2010 9:55 AM
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voxyqt wrote:
sevo, wormzer is rich. You must be from the rundown trailer. wormzer will OWN YOU some day soon along with most of the LEO and firepigs from FL. (and DC) who cover up murders.
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Tampa axes free jeans for city employees
$TAMPA - As they search for new ways to cut costs, Tampa officials are taking aim at an unlikely target: blue jeans.
For years, some city employees have been entitled to at least five sets of new uniforms every year under union-negotiated contracts with the city. For many employees in the public works and parks and recreation department, the uniform set includes five pairs of blue jeans annually.
City officials say some workers have been abusing those privileges by getting new uniforms even when they didn't need them, filling their wardrobes on the taxpayers' dime.
In a city facing record budget shortfalls, it's an expense officials say they can't afford.
A task force commissioned by Mayor Pam Iorio has recommended that the annual uniform allowances for general employees – roughly half the city's workforce – be substantially scaled back. The move could save the city up to $216,000 a year, according to city estimates.
"We've had some workers just filling up their closets with freebies," said Richard Carter, operations and maintenance manger for the city's stormwater department and chairman of the uniform task force. "In this economic atmosphere, we can't allow that to happen."
Topping the list for proposed elimination are annual purchases of blue jeans, which cost the city about $33,000 last fiscal year, according to figures provided by the city.
Under other proposed changes, subject to approval by Iorio and union negotiations, only workers whose jobs require that they wear uniforms will be given a clothing allowance.
Those employees would be given one pair of shoes and five uniforms for work. They would only be given replacements when those are worn out and would have to turn in the used clothes.
Supervisors, clerical workers and support staff would no longer be given a uniform allowance, Carter said, a move that would save the city another $10,000 a year.
Police and firefighters are covered by separate union contracts that would not be affected.
Union officials said the proposed changes are subject to negotiations on a contract for fiscal year 2011. That process is expected to get under way in the next few months.
"Nothing is carved in stone," said Martha Stevens, president of the Amalgamated Transit Union Local 1464, which represents nearly 2,000 blue-collar and clerical workers.
Carter said the city can eliminate jean purchases without union approval because it's the one item of clothing not specifically mentioned in the uniform provision of the contract.
He said efforts to curtail uniform expenditures is not about punishing city workers.
"Every time we save the city $40,000," he said, "that's someone's job we're saving."
Reporter Christian M. Wade can be reached at (813) 259-7679
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Posted by (RRR) on 02/10/2010 at 08:36 am.
A review of ALL EXPENSES on a line by line checklist? What a concept. Would it be too much to have a publicly listed benefit/cost list? Something the taxpayers of Tampa/Hills county could review?? Come on TBO step up here and print it !! Lets play a game called " FOLLOW THE MONEY "
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Posted by (1madvet) on 02/10/2010 at 08:42 am.
Hey, Pam. You could save thousands more by not buying bottled water and have the city and county employes drink the same crap that you expect your tax payers to drink. Toilet to tap. That sounds so refreshing :-)
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Posted by (cyngc) on 02/10/2010 at 08:44 am.
You want the job, you should be responsible for your clothes. Nobody ever paid for my business suits.
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Posted by (dk818) on 02/10/2010 at 08:48 am.
Our tax money hard at work. Is it any wonder we get next to zero return on our tax money when anywhere and everywhere you look out tax money goes to things like union worker's blue jeans? Does anyone at all believe that our government's responsibilities include dressing workers? We desperately need to shrink government at all levels if we are to survive as a nation. Look at what is happening to Portugal, Spain, and especially Greece. You want to know where large entitlement programs, universal health care, generation pensions for minimal work, and 40% to 50% GDP being spent on social programs leads, they are your answer.
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Posted by (turbobody) on 02/10/2010 at 08:51 am.
...uh, nevermind - I thought the headline read Tampa axes for free jeans.
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Posted by (dsjk100) on 02/10/2010 at 08:52 am.
What a load of b-s, a few years ago a city employee came to the city council and said the clothing and shoes that they get should be cut back nice to see that it took the city years to implement the cost savings.
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Posted by (Old_Crusty) on 02/10/2010 at 09:00 am.
(1madvet), good point.As for filling up the closet thing, try the OTHER military system (not the paid uniform allowance). You need a new shirt? No problem, where is the old one or at least the biggest pieces of it?The more shot up, torn up, blown up, or burned up it looked, the less the quartermaster argued with ya.The statement "The medics cut the SOB off of me due to what caused these scars. Would you like to go with me? I'll show ya where it happened." also took you to the head of the line with NO argument about you losing anything. ;-0
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Posted by (TBPatriot) on 02/10/2010 at 09:09 am.
Blue Jeans are a problem, but the 5 city workers doing a small paving job is no problem. Alrighty then.
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Posted by (cemil) on 02/10/2010 at 09:12 am.
You know, I have no problem with a "jeans" allowance being given to workers like the ones in the picture, but CLERICAL WORKERS???
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Posted by (cavedog) on 02/10/2010 at 09:14 am.
This is what happens when unions get their foot in governments door. They don’t mind spending “other people’s money”. Nobody should get jeans for work. It's not a specialty item, like bulletproof vests, reflective vests or safety glasses. I have to buy my own clothes to be in compliance with my workplace dress code. It's part of the cost to work, like commuting, lunch, coffee, soda's, etc. I don’t see where it is the employer's responsibility to clothe me in addition to my paycheck. I'm provided with office supplies to accomplish my tasks. They are cheap, which is good business sense, but I don’t like using them. So I choose to buy higher end items out of my pocket. I don't drink the city water offered by my employer. Instead of demanding bottled water on my bosses dime, I bring my own filtered water from home in stainless steel water bottles. My desk has trinkets I've brought from home, just like everyone who works at a desk/cube. In short, I buy those things I consider perks and personal items Unions associated with governments think the taxpayers should pay for everything. Well, they are wrong, and it's time to bring these unions and local government back to reality.cavedog-If people behaved like governments, you'd call the cops. ~Kelvin Throop
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Posted by (patchvader) on 02/10/2010 at 09:15 am.
Small potatos- the real money is in the multiple overheads with water department, road dept, emergency services, leo etc that exist in the same space. Start looking at city county consolidation- thats where the real money is-
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Posted by (alohaoleon) on 02/10/2010 at 09:15 am.
"under union-negotiated contracts"...the problem is obvious and speaks for itself.
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Posted by (clitaxpayer) on 02/10/2010 at 09:17 am.
a line by line check list should be done EVERY year... not in years when you run out of money. Giving city employees free blue jeans is completely ridiculous. unions bankrupt private companies and will bankrupt an entire city too. just go to work and shut your mouth. if you dont like your job, then get a different job. you aren't entitled to squat
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Posted by (obcanes) on 02/10/2010 at 09:19 am.
Hey whats Yellow and Sleeps Six?A D.O.T. Truck!
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Posted by (ballyhoo) on 02/10/2010 at 09:20 am.
Many industries have clothing allowances due to job circumstances such as safety and work environment. How long would your clothes last laying asphalt? True - worn clothes should be used to claim replacements.As far as 5 workers in the picture, have you ever done that? Do you know what you're taling about? How big was the project? Just a rash, uninformed judgement...
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Posted by (winterfun) on 02/10/2010 at 09:23 am.
can somebody explain to me please, why are employees working for police department allow to take a cars home? I am not talking about police officers taking home cruisers. These are some other (capt.) employees who drive cars home on daily basis. I have one in my neighborhood. Every view months he drives a different car.
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Posted by (MondayQuarterBack) on 02/10/2010 at 09:32 am.
This is awful. Now where will my spouse and kids get free jeans.
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Posted by (suemccartin) on 02/10/2010 at 09:33 am.
I tend to agree that folks that work with tar, asphalt, concrete, nasty chemicals etc. should get a clothing allowance, but, I also don't have a problem with them needing to turn in the destroyed stuff before it's replaced. Any benefit can be abused, if we look closely we'll find abuses of the coffee pot, the bottled water, and plenty of other things too like the office supplies etc. I for one don't have that much problem with an officer taking his/her vehicle home as long as it's not a huge distance (i.e. they need to live within 15 miles or some such). A law enforcement vehicle parked in somebody's driveway is going to make the local petty criminals think twice before breaking in that house or anyone close because they know there's a weapon and someone that knows how to use it. A law enforcement vehicle in a driveway can be a real crime deterrent for a neighborhood.
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Posted by (ballyhoo) on 02/10/2010 at 09:37 am.
The city budget is published every year in detail on their website. If you really were concerned, you'd read it and follow up on it. Most here just want to vent their bile..you get the government you deserve. Get off your duff and do the work of a citizen.
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Posted by (bubonicplague1300) on 02/10/2010 at 09:37 am.
A prime example of why liberal unions are a thing of the past look at California, GM and Chrysler. How about we cut the pay of Tampa cops since an average Tampa cop makes as much as a NYC cop. Lets the cut the city commissioners salary also.
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Posted by (Curbed_Enthusiasm) on 02/10/2010 at 09:40 am.
Good. If the citizens are cutting their budgets, government should be doing the same.
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Posted by (librul) on 02/10/2010 at 09:43 am.
If the city really wanted to save money, they should end take home vehicles for TPD. It's really frustrating to be passed by a TPD vehicle in ANOTHER county doing a good 15-20 mph over the posted limit. How much fuel does that waste?
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Posted by (theartistfkacallitlikeitis) on 02/10/2010 at 09:43 am.
I don't have a problem with the city providing jeans to the workers so long as they don't get additional jeans until they turn in the worn out pairs issued earlier.At the rate the city workers work they will all still be on their first pair.
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Posted by (Snid174) on 02/10/2010 at 09:44 am.
The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) proclaims that if the cost of a "UNIFORM" draws the employee below minimum wage in one week, then the employer has to provide the uniform, if it is a condition of employment. (there are exceptions for the food service industry and few others). I doubt very seriously that ANY City or County employee makes minimum wage. Why in the world would anyone, particularly a public institution, negotiate a union contract with other than what the FLSA depicts. It is poor management to do so and a WASTE OF TAX PAYER'S MONEY.
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Posted by (pwg) on 02/10/2010 at 09:52 am.
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Posted by (whatthehe77) on 02/10/2010 at 09:54 am.
My husband not only has to weare a specific uniform, he has to pay for it every week out of his check. And because when the uniform company cleans them they come back stiff as a board, we also wash them, so we pay for water, electric and laundry detergent as well as the cost of the uniform!!!I don't even agree with handing in the old pair, you can pick up a pair of tattered worn jeans at any thrift store or garage sale for .50 then turn them in and get a brand new pair. It would be different if they were city issued jeans that didn't have a name brand on them!!
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Posted by (Tampabob1) on 02/10/2010 at 09:57 am.
With this abuse can anyone wonder how much more is out there. It scares me to death. Typical government mentality as it is just tapayer $$$ and we will just increase the sales tax or property tax the spend more.
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Posted by (TATMAN92) on 02/10/2010 at 10:02 am.
I agree. If they can't afford jeans, let them go naked.
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Posted by (greensideup) on 02/10/2010 at 10:14 am.
Do the police officers purchase their own ammo? If so, this might explain why so few badguys get shot...
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Posted by (texigator) on 02/10/2010 at 10:22 am.
Free blue jeans, extravagant catered lunches, free trips, this is all just the tip of the iceberg. Government AT ALL LEVELS needs to be cut and have all of this type of crap eliminated. These unions are sucking the rest of us dry and it's time to put an end to it.
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Posted by (edfflyer) on 02/10/2010 at 10:28 am.
I just want to know if Roz did the "axeing" for 1800axe gary
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Posted by (felixthecat) on 02/10/2010 at 10:38 am.
Hey Athletes get free clothes....LOL geez get your own clothes....most of us do and our clothes cost a little more then $10 jeans
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Posted by (Simonsays) on 02/10/2010 at 10:49 am.
Hey cavedog mabey if you worked a little more at your city job mabey we could save some money...I see you reading and bloging and looking up little quotes to tell everyone.
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Posted by (TBCat) on 02/10/2010 at 10:56 am.
I like the argument: I have to pay for my clothes, everyone else should too. That's real nice. You should look up the word envy. It is not a good thing.
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Posted by (tominabox) on 02/10/2010 at 11:00 am.
This is just stupid. Are we going to start counting how many pens and binders that the office workers use, and force them to turn in the full ones to get issued more? These workers have become used to living within the compensation provided, which includes the free jeans. By cutting this perk, it is effectively a tax or reduction in pay, hurting the workers who need it the most.
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Posted by (bubonicplague1300) on 02/10/2010 at 11:10 am.
This is a prime reason why greece and the european union are about to collapse...when u have so much socialism involved it collapses free market principles. If you want free jeans go live in cuba, and if u complain about not getting those free jeans either get a better job or make better choices about your education. Im sure these workers are nothing but online GED graduates in the first place, the people have awaken and want to stop the free handout policies.
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Posted by (sclark268) on 02/10/2010 at 12:15 pm.
Buy your own work clothes>>like I do, and go to work in your OWN vehicle>> like I do.Simple, Yes!!!
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Posted by (bubonicplague1300) on 02/10/2010 at 12:25 pm.
sclark268 thats a great idea but liberals dont understand that concept
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Posted by (pjgatorjg) on 02/10/2010 at 12:49 pm.
about time, how many of those workers got work clothes paid by the city and still claimed it on their taxes?? what about all the const.workers--etc. no one supplies their clothing??
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Posted by (working_stiff) on 02/10/2010 at 12:52 pm.
You can tell who the union pukes/city workers are on here - TBCat and tominabox.obcanes - so true.
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Posted by (bnav) on 02/10/2010 at 01:10 pm.
just stupid. I guess someone has something against Levi's. Laughable
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Posted by (gene_pool_observer) on 02/10/2010 at 01:40 pm.
turbobody, only would axe for pants on the ground pants
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Posted by (seekit233612) on 02/10/2010 at 01:45 pm.
I can agree with this. I have to supply my own clothes for my job. Let's save more money and cancel Pam's car service too and just reimburse her for mileage she drives. My company doesn't provide car service for me either.
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Posted by (zgolf1) on 02/10/2010 at 01:56 pm.
winterfun I am sure that on the day that the captian makes an arrest of some ax murderer in your neighborhood or apprehends some punks in his take home car because they were about to kill you, well you know where I am going. Its called visibility and you should be glad that the vehicle is parked in your neighborhood instead of being a Richard Head on TBO..And to the moron who suggest that the LEOs pay be cut remember that not to many people are willing to do this job anyway and it is dangerous out there.But you seem to have all of the angles covered. But I do agree that there is much more trash in NY.
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Posted by (username1990) on 02/10/2010 at 03:18 pm.
some idiot in the city wants to spend $4000 for solar garbage cans, and other idiots expect city workers to ruin their own clothes putting down tar. city management really has theirs heads where the sun don't shine. ctrl alt del - time for reset. fire management now.
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Posted by (bubonicplague1300) on 02/10/2010 at 03:47 pm.
Under obamas stimulus plan these are the type of workers that the govt is helping to save or create...where are all my flag waivers?
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Posted by (seekit233612) on 02/10/2010 at 05:05 pm.
To the dinks who are saying that a cop car parked in the driveway reduces crime... where's the study proving that? In my neighborhood (not a high crime area) the burglars attempted to break into an occupied home that was located RIGHT NEXT DOOR to the parked cop car (at 6 pm also). It simply makes you "feel" safer, but in fact it really doesn't. I'll take the cost savings thank you very much. That is, unless you require my employer to give me a car to use - then I'll shut up.
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Posted by (bolador) on 02/10/2010 at 08:54 pm.
I say a 20% across the board tax cut...and let's dissolve, first and foremost, the Police and fire depts. These are taxpayer funded,government-controlled law enforcement and propoerty-protection agencies. I say we fight our own crime and put out our own fires. Real Americans can do it-I'm sure John Wayne did. Then lets get rid of all funding for public education. If people can't afford to pay for their childrens education, let'em get two(or three) jobs. Why should we pay for an educated society? We need workers, who neeeds more professors? Let em teach themselves how to read and write.
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Posted by (RAGINGLEO) on 02/10/2010 at 09:08 pm.
Richard Carter, that $40,000,000.00 new Curtis Hixon Park, at $40,000.00 per job would be worth about 1,000 jobs, all without blue jeans. If I read the story right, Supervisors, clerical workers and support staff will no longer get a uniform allowance, saving another $10,000.00 a year, why were they getting one to begin with? If the job requires blue jeans or any uniform at all the city needs to pick up the cost with the employees knowledge that the cost is part of their overall compensation package. I hope this does not have the unintended consquence of makeing the workers end up getting Dickes instead. Ever notice how when the City gets in money trouble it starts to talk about having to cut services, cops, firemen, rangers or such? But when it is pointed out that it has spent $40,000,000.00 on a park in DOWNTOWN Tampa the reply is always, "The money was allocatted that way and can't be spent any other way". How about the City spend our tax money on things that make the city run well? When was the last time you were on Dale Mabry at a light and the guy next to you yelled out, "I just can't wait to take my pretty wife and three small girls downtown on Friday night so we can enjoy Curtis Hixon Park". I haven't forgotten about the $14,000,000.00 museum either. If the politicos spent the tax payers money like a real small business man would do you think these kind of expendatures would happen? NO. If these steps are correct, and they do sound like they are a step in the right direction, why were they not always in effect? So much waste, so little tax money.
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Posted by (keepitreel) on 02/10/2010 at 10:15 pm.
I only see one (1) American in this picture putting the asphalt down. How about saving American jobs and making sure your employees are legal citizens before you hire. That would reduce the unemployment rate. If i am wrong, please prove it. Remember, I KEEPITREEL!
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Posted by (TOOPRETTYforprison) on 02/10/2010 at 11:35 pm.
TBPatriot, you almost got it perfect. BUT... here's the kicker. They MUST have posed for this picture because I NEVER EVER see more than one guy working ... EVER. EVER. How many guys you need for the job, Tampa employee? Well, let's see, I'll need one to hold my cellphone, and five to stand around talking and laughing while someone else does the work. I actually have NO problem with them having a small clothing allowance. Two hundred dollars in work jeans. I DO have a problem with spam giving herself raises and using city functions to shove her name doen peoples' throats. SPAM !! GO AWAY >>>>>>
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Posted by (Unstable) on 02/11/2010 at 08:25 am.
I'm sure there is lots more pork that can be cut.......
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Posted by (librul) on 02/11/2010 at 08:57 am.
zgolf, it's pretty obvious where you work. When is the last time a police captain arrested ANYBODY. As for visibility, just think of all the times these VISIBLE police cars are burglarized, resulting in the theft of computers, firearms etc. One more point: Why should Tampa taxpayers pay for increased visibility of leo vehicles 60 miles away, in ANOTHER COUNTY. Of course, my employer supplies my auto for both personal and business use. It's called being self-employed. Much different than being a union leach.
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Posted by (mrfla1) on 02/11/2010 at 10:38 am.
to TBPatriot - it takes 5 guys to do a small paving job to get it done while the material is still above temp required to do so. cavedog - the union in the city is like the tail trying to wag the dog. it is basically a paper tiger taking money from the members. i am one of the uniformed workers who gets 5 jeans a year and only 5 pairs. i never get to the end of the year with all 5 pair still intact. i then buy my own with my own money that is NOT the inflated bucks many are trying to make the public believe the working class heroes receive. the mayor still has 7 personnel in her office. there are divisions in the city doing major work with less than that!!! her assistant has an assistant!! many of the non-uniformed admin staff downtown receive a clothing allowance with the biggest risk being a coffee stain. explain that cost please. the majority of the general public has absolutely no idea of how the city actually functions. i would love to see the mayor go undercover and spend a day with me on my job!! she would suffer major reality realignment!!!!!
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Posted by (mrfla1) on 02/11/2010 at 11:09 am.
i see comments on the bottled water the city uses. let me tell you who uses those bottles of water - the downtown contingent who only go outside when it is lunch time. the rest oF US drink what the citizens drink - tap water. i put my own little packets of lemonade in it to kill the taste however. also the bottled water is a custom purchase instead of low bid. it's easy to rig a bid when you know how!!!
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Posted by (TOOPRETTYforprison) on 02/11/2010 at 06:58 pm.
mrfla1, don't drink that crap !!!!! It's killing you. At our house we don't even use it for dishes. It's DISGUSTING. It will rot your skin. This bitch needs to be SUED not SENATE'd. SHe's a smart ass too rolling around with her jugs of zephyrhills water in front of me after I called to complain about the nasty frigging water. SICK!@!!!!
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They must be having a hard time shaking this neighborhood out of it's rafters. Another stubborn bitch. FUCK YOU WHORE .. ricky allen hill done lost that fight AND the war. Along with Uncle Mike, TPD.
Anyway, Pam has the HOMELESS HANGING FROM THE FUCKING RAFTERS OF THIS MISBEGOTTEN DUMP that used to be OUR CITY.
AND, her BUDDIES, the Catholic Charities, probably st vincent depaul (hey ME loveyadarlin)
Anyway, they aim to shake this neighborhood the FUCK UP OUTTA THERE.
Hey Pam-an-ART TRAIN TO NOWHERE .... what about you and your buddy maryEllen Elia and her fat ass dog (please see lee drury decesare casting room couch blog) all buddied up with metropolitan ministries. CAN"T THESE PEOPLE MOVE INTO GEORGETOWN?? OH NO that's right .. you sold it to our buddy in common (hey mr. d) FOR A FUCKING SONG.
Anyway ... read on ... PAM IORIO HELPS THE HOMELESS HOPE HER BUDDY RICK DOESN'T COME OVER AND SLASH SHIT OUT OF THEIR TENTS> ROFL
I"ve often compared Pam Iorio to Kwayme Kilpatrick the thieving, murdering mayhem bombed detroit to ruins moon-faced bastard of Detroit... the only difference between them is that pam shits on everything and kwayme went to jail while pam quietly asserts herself ON TO THE BOARD OF EVERY MOTHERFUCKING THING IN THE CITY NOW OWNING RIGHTS TO THE TAMPA THEATER... BUH BYE EDUCATIONAL FILMS. Back to that buddy system with maryEllen Elia.
At any rate... read this: DETROIT CLOSES THE CLERK'S OFFICES.
READ THE COMMENTS.
IS THIS OR IS THIS NOT FUCKING TAMPA UNDER MAYOR OR MAYNOT PAM IORIO.
NOT TO MENTION THE TAINTED WATER.
Incidentally st pete assholes at the ivy dump. GO FUCK YOURSELVES. Today I got your name. Tomorrow the video gets done.
(this is an inside joke between pamela and I . . WHAT TIMING.) Glad I got that little freak on video ... imagine THE TIMING there. DOUBLE TIMING.. first the water urchin. I mean "WATER" as in that shit you're sending TO MY FUCKING HOUSE. And then when I came home your code enforcer THANG was lurking over there. Freaked him out when I turned in on him ... L M A O. He just wanted to pull out in front of me and stalk me but he edged up too far and then got all nervous and shaky. I recognize him. What exactly is he code enforcing BEHIND AN EMPTY BUILDING LURKING AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WAITING WHILE I GOT FROM BEHIND HIM??? Man you people are really pushing my PATIENCE.
Wow. That works for me in ways you won't find out for a bit.
BACK TO THE ORIGINAL POST.. I just had to laugh. We do NOT use the water SO MUCH we didn't even NOTICE what they had done. L M A O. But the little snitch was out JUST AT THAT VERY MOMENT. Imagine these city bastards paying these people ALL DAY LONG to lurk and freak us out (or try) MAN my property must be worth TEN TIMES what I think it is. MILLIONS MILLIONS. And, so now it's going to be on and on and on......
This whole water thing is just a ploy to get you to snitch your neighbors.
Start enmity that never dies once we stop WATER HOGS and learn to NOT allow people to use up ALL THE RESOURCES just because they can.
HINT HINT DOWN THERE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't SNITCH YOUR NEIGHBORS.
This is the most disgusting thing EVER.
TAMPA YOU SUCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It makes me feel like having sprinklers installed.
WE don't get REAL WATER HERE and can't even use it for cooking so ...
FUCK THEM.
What would you enforce????
L M A O.
You can't get folks for using too much water if they ain't using water.
You have fucking people in this town pouring REAL water down the drain on GRASS
while some people don't have WATER TO DRINK. Making us pay for water THREE FUCKING TIMES.
But, hey that's okay.
Folks, don't lower yourself by snitching on your neighbors.
That's sick.
I've never met nor seen this woman before, to my knowledge.
BUT I begin to BE POSITIVE about the sheriff's updates to the website for arrests... all the people whom this fucking city selectively arrested and prosecuted so that THIS CREW could take over were falling off the list and what's the good of arresting someone if NO ONE knows about it????
Because that's all it IS.
I know murdering criminals who will probably never spend five seconds in the back of a cop car unless they're getting (or giving) head ...
And .. yknow what? I hate to break it to you perfect people but the rest of the world HAS caught on. Even sweet lil ol US.
We caught on.
It's all in public records.
Interesting how that changed and changed.
I'm going to have a little chit chat with my old friend about his.
In the meantime .... this is from the good old days when the city tried to and DID arrest people for feeding the homeless.
This lady reports how they dropped them off at the county line ... hint hint, mr. homeless.
This was just uploaded.
Wonder if it's in preparation for Pam's senate run she's putting out feelers for??????
I dunno and NO I did NOT do it.
I reiterate I was HAPPY when Pamela was selected. It's been SINCE THEN that the problems started.
She needs to own up and make up.
She created 175 new positions in city govt but now we don't have the money to pay ANYONE but we have the money for water nazis.
Can anyone spell LACK OF TRANSPARENCY??????????
INCIVILITY????
UNCONSCIONABLE CONTRACT????
INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE???
Okay those last were from my favorite movie....... (or one of them)
There's a defrocked judge (tried to run over her husband in a drive through lane yea yea she did and then ran for judge AGAIN for all I know IS one LMAO ) anyway, she runs the CDC in my neighborhood. Near as I can figure their job is to take folks OUT OF HOMES, the city buy them and then put OTHER people IN the homes. You know, those who are more palatable to the city. you know.
So, given various reading of CDC's I've long known they were part of the problem and kept meaning to take it down and blog it. Hepner. That's her name (sorry in a hurry) maybe hapner.
So, they're doing what they can to ruin neighborhoods and they are given a great deal of power to evict, (WTF??) selectively code enforce, eminent domain, etc..... so it comes as NO surprise to me as I've watched these gangsters place total CRIMINALS and drug houses all through my once quiet and pristine (normal shit like every hood) neighborhood to run down the value. And to attempt an eminent domain. Let's NOT forget the gambling, see? So, there's all that.
RIGHT UNDER THE WATCHFUL EYES OF THE TAMPA FIRE DEPT. YESIRREE BOB.
Now we see Kathy Castor and Pam Iorio helping them GET THEIR MONEY. Wow, second hit for Kathy today. Oh and for Pam, TOO.
Why IS IT that these folks would help CDC's take homes from FAMILIES and sell them to the city and then redevelope them as RENTALS OR GAMBLING PROPERTY.
FO THE MONEY. FO THE MONEY.
Meantime, the CDC director's over my way have been found to be pocketing HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS of the taxpayer's money and getting a lil smack on the wrist. No problem.
I've been a real thorn in their side. But, I'm NOT alone.
Son is hired despite multiple drug arrests
By Justin George, Times Staff Writer In print: Thursday, August 7, 2008
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TAMPA — With his 16 arrests, prosecutors called Keena Watts a habitual offender. He quit school in the 10th grade and sold drugs, sometimes near schools and churches.
Repeated arrests might keep others from finding a job. Not Watts.
Until his 16th arrest, he worked for the Corporation to Develop Communities, an east Tampa program funded with public money and run by his mother.
In late June, Watts, 23, was sentenced to nearly a year in a Hillsborough jail and two years of probation after two arrests in which police caught him with marijuana, then cocaine.
Between arrests, he worked at the Audrey L. Spotford Youth and Family Center, the CDC's headquarters, as an intake specialist, often dealing with clients who had drug histories.
His mother, Toni Watts, has been chief executive officer since 2006.
She declined to discuss her son with the Times.
The CDC's board chairman, Albert Lee, who is a vice president for Fifth Third Bank, said he "expressed disappointment" to Toni Watts over the matter. He said he advised her not to comment because he was afraid she would get emotional.
"I think what she was trying to do for her son is what almost any other mother would be trying to do for their child: If I can put him in a situation where I can have some supervision over him during the day, or I can have some influence on him to try and change him rather than leave him to his own devices, then I think that's what anybody would do," he said.
Lee said he told Watts she should be more "judicious" about hiring relatives of staff. But he said he didn't think Keena Watts' employment hurt the organization.
"It would have been more disconcerting if I had found out that he had done some of that stuff while he was on CDC property," Lee said.
Keena Watts was actively selling drugs while employed by the CDC, jail and court records show, but there are no allegations that he did so on CDC property.
It's unclear whether Lee learned of Keena Watts' arrests from the Times or from Toni Watts. He did not return phone messages seeking clarification.
• • •
The CDC collects grant money to provide jobs and housing in east Tampa. The organization earned a reputation sweeping away drug corners with anti-drug marches in the early 1990s.
Eighty-five percent of its budget in 2006, about $1.7-million, came from federal funding. More recent federal figures were unavailable. This year, the organization drew $47,250 from Hillsborough County and $187,124 from the city of Tampa.
Today the Tampa City Council is scheduled to approve a $70,000 grant and $625,000 loan to the CDC for affordable housing and other projects.
U.S. Rep. Kathy Castor, D-Tampa, has helped the CDC obtain federal grants. The Times requested an interview with Castor about Keena Watts' arrests, but she did not respond.
Mayor Pam Iorio did not return a call asking about CDC hiring practices.
Gary Snyder, a board member of the National Committee for Responsible Philanthropy, saw cause for concern when a reporter described the CDC's employment of Watts' troubled son.
"This is a small agency in the community that is probably doing good but has bad judgment. And no governance or poor governance, this issue lies with the board," said Snyder, who writes and manages the newsletter Nonprofit Imperative. "If that executive director did not tell the board, then the board has to take some disciplinary action."
Lee would not say whether Toni Watts faced disciplinary action. He called it an internal matter.
Keena Watts' job as an intake specialist was an entry level position at the CDC with front desk duties. He was paid about $8 an hour, Lee said. His mother was not his direct supervisor, Lee said.
Lee said the organization has no problem hiring entry-level workers who have criminal backgrounds.
"It's kind of difficult for us to suggest to other people that someone needs to hire these folks if we're not willing to do some of those things ourselves," Lee said. "The nature of the community development corporation nonprofit is that they will do the things that other entities aren't willing to do."
Seven out of 10 of the CDC's clients are ex-offenders.
Lee said having ex-offenders on staff helps the organization connect with others in the same straits.
"It would be akin to a homeless shelter having all people who work there who have never experienced homelessness," Lee said.
• • •
Keena Watts initially agreed to a jail interview for this story but declined at the last moment.
His criminal career and his CDC career first crossed paths on Oct. 4, 2006, when Tampa police arrested him on four cocaine charges, including possession with intent to deliver near a church and school.
On jail records, he listed his employer as Nehemiah Coin Laundry, which the CDC owned from 1999 to 2007. It was the nonprofit's first east Tampa neighborhood revitalization project, transforming an abandoned laundry into a full-service business with 25 washing machines, 24 dryers, a children's playroom, a community meeting room and at least five jobs for the neighborhood, according to the organization's Web site.
After the October 2006 arrest, Watts pleaded guilty to three charges: purchase, possession and delivery of cocaine, court records show. He received credit for time served.
Jail records state that he was unemployed at the time of his next arrest, on June 25, 2007.
But he reported that he was employed as a CDC intake specialist on Feb. 11, when Tampa police pulled over a Chevrolet Cavalier on traffic offenses.
As police approached the car, they saw Watts, the driver, spray air freshener in the back seat, a report says. A search found 11 small bags of marijuana, including 10 hidden in a trunk speaker box.
Watts admitted owning the drugs, and he told police that he tossed a marijuana cigar from the car before the traffic stop, according to an arrest report.
When his mother arrived on the scene, police told Toni Watts that her son had just taken responsibility for the drugs, absolving a passenger who rode with him.
Toni Watts turned to Keena and asked, according to police reports, "Why would you do that?"
Keena replied, "It's all mine. Why would I get him in trouble?"
Toni Watts then allowed her son to continue to work at the CDC, jail records show.
He listed his employer as the CDC the next time he was arrested, which was less than two months later.
In that arrest, police say they saw Keena Watts sell $40 worth of crack cocaine in the parking lot of a Sunoco gas station.
Lee said his mother fired him afterward, saying she had "had it" with his troubles.
Times researcher John Martin and staff writer Janet Zink contributed to this report. Justin George can be reached at (813) 226-3368 or jgeorge@sptimes.com.[Last modified: Aug 07, 2008 12:55 PM]
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by Harold
Aug 7, 2008 12:55 PM
I think we need to all write to our elected officials on this story. THis kid has been arrested 16 times and is walking the streets. We are spending trillions in Iraq to make America safer. It's time to make America safer by getting tougher on crime.
by RF
Aug 7, 2008 12:55 PM
She should be fired for misuse of taxpayer funds.
by Mo
Aug 7, 2008 12:55 PM
Anyone claiming she was "rewarding" him is totally clueless to the plight of parents of these kinds of kids. She was trying to show him something better, alternatives to his chosen path. Ms. Watts, you've done all you can...let go and let God!
by george
Aug 7, 2008 12:54 PM
nepotism be illegal? you wanna see nepotism? look no further than the Department of Veterans Affairs Regional Office
by Winston
Aug 7, 2008 12:07 PM
Wonder how many customer connections he made at his "job". His job was sellin and using drugs. His Mother just enabled him. She has lots more grief ahead before her.
by Bobbert
Aug 7, 2008 12:07 PM
Lets see - put an unrepentant drug dealer in charge of intakes for drug users? Makes sense to me.
by David
Aug 7, 2008 12:07 PM
"This is a small agency in the community that is probably doing good but has bad judgment."? Spending 1.7 million dollars of my tax dollars?! Why the naughty little devils! spank spank
by Lindy
Aug 7, 2008 12:03 PM
No, not every mother would have done what Ms. Watts did. I'm a firm believer in NOT rewarding bad behavior; get yourself into that mess-get yourself out.
by dave
Aug 7, 2008 10:33 AM
where is the story here? other any other circumstances involving public agencies and monies, this might be inappropriate, however, this entity exists for just such purposes. it does not appear on the surface that any wrong has been committed
by pj
Aug 7, 2008 10:33 AM
mom you've done your job and you done your best enough is enough please allow this young man to man up and stop inabling him,his future is his choice not yours,he knows his right hand from his left and you are a good roll model let gi and let god.
by CC
Aug 7, 2008 10:32 AM
I think his mother had good intentions of trying to help him straighten out by giving him this opportunity. She did nothing wrong, he failed not her.
by Dr_Dug
Aug 7, 2008 10:32 AM
Affirmitive action at its finest....
by Bella
Aug 7, 2008 10:32 AM
Outrageous! With so many deserving people out of work, it is hard to justify giving a job to a serial offender like this guy, even if he is your son!What an embarrassment! Why am I not surprised? Hmmm...
by Jim
Aug 7, 2008 10:32 AM
Toni Watts should resign or be terminated immediatly!
by Reality
Aug 7, 2008 10:32 AM
Time for Keena to be put in prison for life. His usefulness to society is OVER.
by Ronnie
Aug 7, 2008 10:32 AM
Sounds to me like he had a great place to find customers.
by Tommy
Aug 7, 2008 10:32 AM
Toni Watts, CEO since 2006???? Are you kidding me...She should be fired this today for tainting this organization with her DRUG DEALER son. She had complete knowledge of his illegal activity while employed. Typical Getto Operation
by Pasco Mom
Aug 7, 2008 10:32 AM
The kid didnt embezzle funds, so I dont see the issue with public funding. Sounds like mom did her best and, to the credit of the organization, did what needed to be done when she found her son was not respectful to his opportunity. Clean it up Keena
by Jen
Aug 7, 2008 10:32 AM
If it's a public-funded company, shouldn't nepotism be illegal?
by Bill
Aug 7, 2008 10:32 AM
yeah, justify it.
by groovewrecker
Aug 7, 2008 10:31 AM
What here in Tampa? No way. Im not sure I really have a prob here because everyone deserves a chance.Now, if he has broken the ground rules he goes.We do however owe it to our community to extend a hand and help turn this kats life around.
by Q
Aug 7, 2008 10:30 AM
Toni Watts you did what you could... He's a grown man its time for him to act as such on his own and deal with the reprucussions of his stupidity.
by Henry
Aug 7, 2008 10:30 AM
If this woman and son had been of caucasian descent, she would be removed from her position and he would be fired. This is PC gone mad and no one has the nerve to call them on it.
by Steve
Aug 7, 2008 10:30 AM
having a prior criminal background and being rehabilitated would be OK, but to hire an active criminal who apparently is not trying to better themself is WRONG! She should be fired or at least demoted. She has proven she makes bad decisions.
by SD
Aug 7, 2008 10:30 AM
why do govt funds (taxpayer $) keep getting used like this? The US constitution does not provide federal money to create jobs. It needs to stop. Let private business and philanthropy pay for worthy programs and cut all other programs like this one.
by pj
Aug 7, 2008 10:29 AM
ms watts what you did for your son is what every mother would have done, and you voilated no law by hiring him. but remember some kids take longer to except personel responsibilities and some never cut the cord mamn that he is allowed to man up
by Lynn
Aug 7, 2008 10:29 AM
I know the CDC and they do important work around here. I don't blame Mom, I would probably have done the same for my child. The Board does need to be conscious of building and protecting the CDCs image and needs to monitor activities better.
by carl
Aug 7, 2008 10:29 AM
Toni Watts should be FIRED
by John
Aug 7, 2008 10:29 AM
Toni Watts and HER Supervisors need to be fired IMMEDIATELY for allowing this to go on. Our Tax Dollars were supporting this known drug dealer. SHUT DOWN THE CDC NOW!
by alan
Aug 7, 2008 10:29 AM
fire her; misappropriation of public money; nepotism
by Solomon
Aug 7, 2008 10:29 AM
Let him work on Kevin White's staff-they would make a perfect fit- both persons of wide connections & understand the rules of the gang (game?) Gotti Jr. could do his probation working for White or the Major or Sherriff office or Clerk's office, etc.
by Gilbert
Aug 7, 2008 10:29 AM
Eventually, she did fire him! While it looks inappropriate from the outset, the program to my knowledge was designed for such. Goes to show family can be your worse enemy on or off the job! I am quite sure no one else has bad family members, I do.
by Lee
Aug 7, 2008 10:28 AM
"Only 16 chances and that is all I am giving you." It is amazing that no one realizes that you must make kids responsible for their actions, not feel sorry and give them another chance. Or 15.
by Maria
Aug 7, 2008 10:23 AM
My heart bleeds for Toni. She has done all she can to help him; the rest is left up to him. He is sick & needs professional help. It is hard for a mother to let her child sink- regardless to his/her age. It is not your fault Toni. Let him go.
by Boobster
Aug 7, 2008 10:22 AM
Let's talk about the double standard.
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Some more threats from Tampa firemen (we'll just drive by your burning house if we know who you are) no kidding? I would NEVER have guessed that !
Stop Organized Stalking
More mention of Firefighter and Police participation in gang-stalking
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